% AndyA has left AndyA!~andy@82.152.157.85 % iblechbot has joined #parrot % AndyA has joined #parrot % UltraDM has joined #parrot % jjore is now known as zz_jjore % zz_jjore is now known as jjore % IllvilJa has left IllvilJa!~jilves@emea-netcache1.oracle.co.uk % allison has joined #parrot % wknight8111 has joined #parrot % ruoso has joined #parrot % allison has left allison!~chatzilla@user-64-9-235-74.googlewifi.com % wknight8111 has left wknight8111!~nobody@c-71-230-33-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net % wknight8111 has joined #parrot % wknight8111 has left wknight8111!~nobody@c-71-230-33-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net % kid51 has joined #parrot % rdice has joined #parrot % arcady has left arcady!~arcady@dsl092-065-167.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net % arcady has joined #parrot % cognominal has left cognominal!~cognomina@82.67.232.89 % cognominal has joined #parrot % cognominal has left cognominal!~cognomina@82.67.232.89 % kid51 has left kid51!~jkeen@70.107.7.230 % gabriel has left gabriel!~gabriel@c-76-126-210-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net * Coke wonders if it would be worth having a 'make depend' target. % confound has joined #parrot % gryphon has joined #parrot % AndyA has left AndyA!~andy@82.152.157.85 % AndyA has joined #parrot % cognominal has joined #parrot % wknight8111 has joined #parrot % mdiep has left mdiep!~mdiep@v-adsl-fh-178-170.umnet.umich.edu % IllvilJa has joined #parrot % petdance has joined #parrot % petdance has left petdance!~Andy@64.81.227.163 % UltraDM has left UltraDM!~george@dasapass.avira.com (from scrollback) branches/gmc is RT#47888 % mj41_ has joined #parrot % mj41 has left mj41!chatzilla@pc-jurosz.ro.vutbr.cz % mj41_ is now known as mj41 % Dave has left Dave!~dave@pool-141-153-244-48.mad.east.verizon.net % uniejo has left uniejo!~uniejo@langebro.adapt.dk % davidfetter has left davidfetter!~davidfett@start.fetter.org pmichaud: have you used google docs presentation editor? ooh, good idea, coke i should put my outline for 'contributing to rakudo' up there and share it with pmichaud I may have to do a presentation for yapc::na just so I can use it. =-) even has "export to PDF". % iblechbot has left iblechbot!~iblechbot@ppp-62-216-201-216.dynamic.mnet-online.de % purl has left purl!~purl@209.218.54.66 % purl has joined #parrot % c9s has left c9s!~c9s@163.26.225.208 % c9s has joined #parrot (though save as HTML would have been spiffier.) well, created the presentation, shared with pmichaud. coke++ for the idea "wah, share it with me too!" Coke: I was reasonable happy with the stuff I used to generate http://search.cpan.org/src/AVAR/Talk-NothingIsFaster510-0.02/slides/index.html avar's url is at http://xrl.us/bha7x It's on CPAN and you can write your talk in POD (Pod::S5) if I was goign that route, I'd use spork. What's that? well, that is what he is using :) * Coke pats purl onna head. spork ishttp://search.cpan.org/~ingy/Spork-0.20/spork spork is http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/Spork-0.20/spork uses kwiki as a base instead of pod. but for collaboration google docs beats spork+svn. % peeps[work] has joined #parrot Ah, I didn't know about spork ::S5 has syntax highlight though which is nice:) i like s5 but it's not perfect No, I had some troubles, submitted some patches to it even:) % cosimo_ has joined #parrot % cosimo has left cosimo!~cosimo@pat-tdc.opera.com % sjansen has joined #parrot % jjore is now known as zz_jjore % zz_jjore is now known as jjore % davidfetter has joined #parrot % cjfields has joined #parrot I've tended to use spork for my presentations. Quick, easy, and I can use 'vi' to create my slides :-) one of my wiki authors has embedded S5 into PmWiki, and he uses it for all of his presentations, though what does spork have over s5? do you have some presentations made with spork online? as far as presentation quality goes, s5 is likely better last time I looked at s5, though, one had to basically write HTML in order to use it my spork presentations http://www.pmichaud.com/2007/pres http://www.pmichaud.com/2008/pres the nice thing about spork is that it's plain text (wiki markup) and not html the bad thing about spork is that its wiki markup isn't very robust particle: are you planning to go to yapc::na? pmichaud: i'm in the process of deciding i can probably do sat-wed i can't stay afterwards, have to head to PA for a wedding you? rumour has it you is ;) what talks are you planning to give? I'm definitely planning to attend haven't submitted any I need to submit my talks (deadline is 03/15, yes?) urk. iunno i was hoping to hear about oscon by the time i submit for yapc::na it usually doesn't happen that way anyway, yapc::na submissions are due 15-mar-2008, according to the website hmmm, they're also doing workshop-style tracks I should probably ask jmcadams about those good idea particle: Good Idea: Drinking fresh milk from the carton. Bad Idea: Drinking fresh milk from the cow. apparently self can't be used by itself in pir : rakudo generates $P57 = self and pir barks :( self can be used as long as it's in a :method if the sub isn't a :method, then self isn't defined that *does* have some pretty nasty implications for nested closures, however er, nested blocks indeed I think that argues that 'self' needs to be lexical or in the symbol table as opposed to using 'self' directly in the PIR can someone review my previous patch . I will get more interest in fixing rakudo which patch? % jq has left jq!~jquelin@merlin.mongueurs.net see #51350 in rt should Bool::True return 'True' for .perl() ? seems like that might not be correct if there's a locally defined version of 'True' it's for the Bool class yes but if I do my $a = Bool::True; say $a.perl(); it outputs "True"? also, the 'perl' method refers to $P0, but $P0 isn't initialized should probably be self and the correct way to test a PMC for 'truthiness' is to do either $I0 = istrue $P0 or if $P0 goto ... doing a simple $I0 = $P0 does an integer conversion % davidfetter has left davidfetter!~chatzilla@start.fetter.org ok, the Pair code is more tested. In fact jonathan code was plain wrong. are the various capabilities related somehow? It might be easier to review them as separate patches i.e., one patch for Pairs, one for boolean .perl, one for the :a, :!a and :$a well :a end :!a makes the path Bool unused. ...patch % cjfields has left cjfields!~cjfields@cjfields.life.uiuc.edu % jq has joined #parrot % iblechbot has joined #parrot :a , :!a and :$a are pairs btw postcircumfixed pairs are not yet implemented that's not too hard to add, though -- we have postcircumfix pairs in NQP yes. but the patch will be bigger :) ah, I see according to pugs, say True.perl(); should output "Bool::True" anyway, I have to go fetch lunch -- I'll review/apply the patch in more detail as soon as I get back thx % jq has left jq!~jquelin@merlin.mongueurs.net % sjansen has left sjansen!~sjansen@64-205-130-223.client.dsl.net % gryphon has left gryphon!~gryphon@dsl-209-221-185-54.zipcon.net % gryphon has joined #parrot I'm trying to walk myself through the initialization of the interpreter, and I wanted to check to make sure that I hadn't misunderstood something. As far as Parrot_set_config_hash(), is this function just loading the serialized config data from disk into a string, and then this string is not deserialized until later during init_world()? Why, then, is Parrot_set_config_hash() the first thing called, if it won't be used until so much late % Psyche^ has joined #parrot % Patterner has left Patterner!~Psyche@e177233244.adsl.alicedsl.de % Psyche^ is now known as Patterner % Theory has joined #parrot % ruoso has left ruoso!~ruoso@195.23.92.2 % jq has joined #parrot % davidfetter has joined #parrot % x___ has joined #parrot % x___ is now known as x % DarkWolf84 has joined #parrot % allison has joined #parrot % allison has left allison!~chatzilla@216.239.45.19 % gryphon has left gryphon!~gryphon@dsl-209-221-185-54.zipcon.net seen barney? barney was last seen on #parrot 1 day and 2 hours ago, saying: Sounds like a mess, I hope that everybody involved is sane. At least they will hear about Parrot :=) [Mar 6 09:58:06 2008] % parrot-poke has joined #parrot anything relating to phparray? % rdice has left rdice!~richard_d@CPE0014bfafbbd5-CM0011e6ecf48a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com % allison has joined #parrot % Dave has joined #parrot excuse cotto_: because of network lag due to too many people playing deathmatch % Coke has left Coke!~coke@cpe-72-228-52-192.nycap.res.rr.com r26262 | pmichaud++ | trunk: : [pge]: : * Convert various pge tests to use Perl6Regex instead of : deprecated P6Regex (RT #48028). diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26262 % DarkWolf84 has left DarkWolf84!~dwolf@89.215.234.147 r26263 | pmichaud++ | trunk: : [tcl]: : * Convert deprecated PGE::P6Regex to PGE::Perl6Regex (RT#48028) : * 'make test' produces same results before and after this change. diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26263 % allison has left allison!~chatzilla@216.239.45.19 % cotto_ has left cotto_!~cotto@tide531.microsoft.com % cotto_ has joined #parrot r26264 | pmichaud++ | trunk: : [m4]: : * Convert deprecated PGE::P6Regex to PGE::Perl6Regex (RT#48028). : * "make test" produces same results both before and after this change. diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26264 % allison has joined #parrot % allison has left allison!~chatzilla@216.239.45.19 what's the ETA for the pdd17pmc merge? soon nopaste? nopaste is, like, at http://nopaste.snit.ch/ (ask TonyC for new channels) or http://rafb.net/paste or http://paste.husk.org/ or http://poundperl.pastebin.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/ or don't bother me while I'm eating "saturday", iirc % Coke has joined #parrot sounds good would someone mind applying the patch at http://mksig.org/parrot/phparray_remove.patch to pdd17pmc to remove phparrays from that branch Barney already took them out of trunk, but I forgot to ask him about pdd17pmc details are at http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=51466 % jrockway is now known as Stevan_ % Stevan_ is now known as jrockway % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@c-24-21-175-208.hsd1.mn.comcast.net % Theory has joined #parrot no takers with commit bits? % Theory_ has joined #parrot % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@c-24-21-175-208.hsd1.mn.comcast.net % Theory_ has left Theory_!~Theory@c-24-21-175-208.hsd1.or.comcast.net % Theory has joined #parrot % Alias has left Alias!adam@CPE-124-188-112-79.nsw.bigpond.net.au % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@c-24-21-175-208.hsd1.or.comcast.net % petdance has joined #parrot % Ademan has left Ademan!~dan@h-67-101-97-83.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net % peeps[work] has left peeps[work]!~peepsalot@bwext.kpimdp.com % x has left x!~chatzilla@host86-157-15-25.range86-157.btcentralplus.com % parrot-poke has left parrot-poke!~mollusk@user-112vvlr.biz.mindspring.com % iblechbot has left iblechbot!~iblechbot@2.16-dial.augustakom.net % Ademan has joined #parrot % Theory has joined #parrot % petdance has left petdance!~Andy@64.81.227.163 % teknomunk has left teknomunk!~teknomunk@kerr-dip0.nat.okstate.edu % teknomunk has joined #parrot % petdance has joined #parrot % teknomunk has left teknomunk!~teknomunk@kerr-dip0.nat.okstate.edu % teknomunk has joined #parrot % jeffreykegler has joined #parrot % wknight8111 has left wknight8111!~nobody@c-71-230-33-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net % peepsalot has left peepsalot!~peeps@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com % Limbic_Region has joined #parrot % skids has joined #parrot % Alias has joined #parrot % jeffreykegler has left jeffreykegler!~jeffreyke@cpe-69-204-164-42.nycap.res.rr.com % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@c-24-21-175-208.hsd1.mn.comcast.net % Theory has joined #parrot % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@c-24-21-175-208.hsd1.mn.comcast.net % petdance has left petdance!~Andy@64.81.227.163 it'll happen automagically the next time someone updates branch from trunk. ok. thanks for the info % jjore is now known as zz_jjore % zz_jjore is now known as jjore % Ademan has left Ademan!~dan@h-67-101-40-175.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net % Alias has left Alias!adam@CPE-124-188-112-79.nsw.bigpond.net.au % wknight8111 has joined #parrot % katie_d has left katie_d!~sassym@c-24-18-106-126.hsd1.mn.comcast.net % katie_d has joined #parrot % Alias has joined #parrot % Limbic_Region has left Limbic_Region!~Limbic_Re@c-68-49-236-220.hsd1.md.comcast.net % skv_____ has joined #parrot % skv has left skv!~skv_____@87.242.97.68 % skv_____ is now known as skv % Alias has left Alias!adam@CPE-124-188-112-79.nsw.bigpond.net.au % x___ has joined #parrot % x___ is now known as x % wknight8111 has left wknight8111!~nobody@c-71-230-33-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net purl, status Since Fri Mar 7 08:01:20 2008, there have been 104 modifications and 86 questions. I have been awake for 14 hours, 1 minute, 26 seconds this session, and currently reference 689322 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. % Alias has joined #parrot % wknight8111 has joined #parrot % wknight8111 has left wknight8111!~nobody@c-71-230-33-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net