<cotto_home> did FREEZE_ASCII ever work?  I'm back at r15000 and it's still failing
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<wolverian> Infinoid, okay, the make succeeds now to the point where miniparrot is invoked, which promptly panics.
<wolverian> I sent a parrotbug
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<wolverian> sorry, that parrotbug mail never got past my smtp server
<wolverian> since it didn't have a From header
<wolverian> can I fix that somehow? 
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<wolverian> ah, --from
<wolverian> blah, that didn't work either
<wolverian> hm, make succeeded this time around
<wolverian> weird :)
<wolverian> and passed tests 
<wolverian> yay
<wolverian> thanks, Infinoid, for your help
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<wolverian> the parrotblog.com episode 5 should probably mention what file the list pir should be saved in
<kj> wolverian: I guess you're right. actually, it doesn't matter which file; it could be any file, but using an existing file is preferable, because then you don't need to update the Makefile
<kj> and of course any new file should be .include'd
<kj> or load_bytecode'd
<wolverian> thanks
<kj> thank /you/ for the comment ;-)
<wolverian> now that you're here, I'm getting an error "too few arguments passed (2) - 3 params expected" with my try clause
<wolverian> it'd be nice to get a line number on that.. :)
<kj> Then you problably are missing a key argument
<kj> does your statement action method define 2 parameters?
<kj> oh wait
<kj> the other way around
<purl> somebody said the other way around was not better
<kj> is your statement passing a #= key?
<wolverian> yes
<kj> could you nopaste?
<kj> both action and grammar
<wolverian> sure, sec
<wolverian> was there a util to do that from cli? :)
<kj> eh. sorry, what do you mean?
<wolverian> it's a pain to copypaste stuff to the website. I remember there's a commandline util to send a file to the bot, but not sure if it's the bot here or somewhere else :)
<kj> nopaste?
<purl> nopaste is at http://nopaste.snit.ch/ (ask TonyC for new channels) or http://rafb.net/paste or http://paste.husk.org/ or http://poundperl.pastebin.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/ or don't bother me while I'm eating
<kj> there you go ;-)
<wolverian> that doesn't really answer my question :) 
<kj> oooh, then I don't know what you're referring to..
<wolverian> something that'd let me say 'nopaste --channel \#parrot file.pir' or so :)
<kj> ooooh right
<kj> i don't know about that
<kj> it would be handy yes
<wolverian> okies, copypasting to the webform then, thanks 
<nopaste> "wolverian" at 80.221.43.65 pasted "actions" (137 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/12551
<nopaste> "wolverian" at 80.221.43.65 pasted "grammar" (102 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/12552
<kj> at least there's a {*} too many in statement; remove the last one (on its own line)
<kj> only 1 is needed per alternative
<kj> not sure if that solves the problem; worth a try
<wolverian> oops, good point, left that accidentally :)
<wolverian> that fixed it
<wolverian> thanks!
<kj> great :-)
<kj> nop
<Infinoid> wolverian: http://agriffis.n01se.net/nopaste/
<wolverian> thanks!
<Infinoid> I don't see where to set the channel, I think it might need some minor adapting
<wolverian> the service doesn't provide that 
<wolverian> i.e. it doesn't have a bot to announce pastes
<Infinoid> but the result would make a great addition to tools/dev/
<wolverian> (it's for rafb.net, not snit.ch)
<Infinoid> yeah
<Infinoid> I just woke up, so I haven't dug into it at all yet, but I think it might be as simple as changing the URL and adding a form field
<wolverian> yeah, true
<Infinoid> perhaps splitting those values out into a .nopasterc
<Infinoid> that would rule.
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<Infinoid> ah.  there's also App::Nopaste
<wolverian> nice, supports snitch
<wolverian> it doesn't do channels eitehr
<wolverian> either
<wolverian> the backend does, but the cli tool doesn't
<Infinoid> I'm thinking about writing my own cli tool
<wolverian> it wouldn't be too much of a hassle to wrap moose around that 
<Infinoid> I'm moose-challenged
<wolverian> well, I thought the app uses moose, but it doesn't, it only uses #moose as an example in the synopsis :)
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<kj> PCT tutorial Episode 7 is published.
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<particle> kj, wolverian, Infinoid: see my tools/dev/nopaste.pl
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<Infinoid> awesome
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<particle> i have a link in /usr/local/bin, so i always use the latest from trunk
<particle> ...though it's pretty stable now.
<kj> nifty
<particle> svn diff | nopaste.pl ...
<particle> very handy
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* particle is happy to read "All tests successful, 24 tests and 613 subtests skipped." bernhard++ everyone++
<ambs> wows
* particle pings tewk
<svnbotl> r26515 | particle++ | trunk:
<svnbotl> : [docs] clarify that releases are date-based, and release numbers are feature-based
<svnbotl> diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26515
* ambs is fighting against mingw, mkstemp and link.
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<ambs> particle: remind me, you the win guy? :)
<particle> i win!
<particle> what's up?
<purl> Your face, particle. That's what.
* ambs means the windows guy :)
<particle> yes, i'm a windows guy, mostly
<ambs> particle: do you know what is the usual replacement for mkstemp under windows?
<particle> File::Temp ?
<purl> i heard File::Temp was generally portably enough, yes. or annoying
<ambs> probably not, but as I am desesperated :)
<ambs> particle: I mean C :)
<particle> ah. :)
<particle> what's mkstemp as opposed to mktemp?
<ambs> I was wondering at #win32, but they are all dead.
<ambs> mktemp returns a string, mkstemp returns the filehandle
<ambs> but probably I could manage to use mktemp if there is one under MinGW
<particle> yes, there should be mktemp, since it's posix
<particle> i don't know if mkstemp is posix, or if it is, if cygwin conforms to that posix version
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<ambs> I think cygwin includes both
<ambs> but I am trying to compile with mingw that comes with strawberry perl.
<particle> i suggest you try compiling something with mktemp, and see if the compiler spits out a helpful warning
* ambs is trying to do that
<particle> mktemp is unsafe, use 'foo' instead
<ambs> yay, it doesn't complain with mktemp
* jhorwitz waves at particle
<ambs> now I just need to get rid of that complain to the undefined function 'link'
<particle> hey there jhorwitz!
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<jhorwitz> how's tricks?  i've been MIA for a bit...
<particle> spent the week in breck boarding and showshoeing. just got back last night. leave for nyc monday, returning sunday.
<jhorwitz> nice!
<jhorwitz> have we heard about OSCON presentations?
<particle> i heard, two accepted w/pmichaud.
<particle> actually, i think one is his, and one is ours
<jhorwitz> nice.  mod_parrot was accepted too.  guess we're gonna have a good showing!
<particle> awesome
<particle> i need to get my act together about yapc::na
<jhorwitz> did you submit a talk yet?
<particle> no
<particle> i was hoping to catch jmcadams in nyc this week, but his trip was postponed
<jhorwitz> i just want an excuse to go to chicago.  never been.  :)
<particle> WHAT!?!?!?!
<particle> i'll be there. you're going.
<jhorwitz> :)
* particle needs to book tickets.
<particle> 13-18 jun in chicago
<particle> 18-22 jun in state college, pa
<particle> maybe 22-25 jun in new orleans
<jhorwitz> that's your schedule?
<particle> yep
<jhorwitz> what are you, on tour or something?  :)
* jhorwitz is a particle groupie
<particle> :)
<particle> i'm hiring roadies. interested?
<jhorwitz> i'll do anything for a free t-shirt.
<particle> come to hawaii. i'll be there in april
<jhorwitz> i'll be in scottsdale in april.
<particle> that'll make the flight shorter
<jhorwitz> ha!
<particle> if you can get some time around oscon, you can come stay with me and betheny in seattle
<jhorwitz> never been there either!  i have a few other friends there too, so might not be a bad idea...
<particle> i'm sure gryphon would like to see you
<jhorwitz> yeah, haven't talked to him much since he left.
<jhorwitz> it would be good to see him.
<particle> iirc he's having a bbq in august
<jhorwitz> must be one hell of a bbq, scheduled 5 months in advance.  :)
<particle> you can probably stay for the month. i don't think he'll mind :)
<jhorwitz> i do work remotely....
<particle> me too, which is why i can travel so much
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<wolverian> any comments on parrotblog.org episode 6, 'Please note that I'm not 100% sure if this is the "best" solution,'? is the approach used there actually recommended?
<kj> wolverian: I remember pmichaud saying somethign about defaulting to 'lexical' scope
<kj> I don't know how to get that behavior
<kj> I figured, this is straightforward, simple and explicit, so I just got "things working".
<kj> (and I'm lacking the time and motivation to figure it out)
<wolverian> the pdd26_ast seems to indicate setting it to lexical works automagically
<kj> yeah. if you get it working let me know ;-)
<kj> seriously, the PAST compiler should do "something" automatically
<kj> but I'm not sure how to do that.
<wolverian> actually, not setting it should just work
<wolverian> according to the pdd
<kj> well, it failed for me
<wolverian>  If "scope" is not explicitly provided in the node, then PAST will look at the local symbol tables of any outer "PAST::Block" nodes to try to determine the scope of
<wolverian>            the named variable.  If this still does not result in a scope, then ’lexical’ is assumed.
<kj> right. 
<wolverian> yeah, sorry, my paste finger is twitchy 
<wolverian> another question. following ep5, I think my TOP and block actions are pretty much the same. am I misunderstanding something? :)
<kj> maybe it works if you leave out EVERY piece of the scope puzzle
<kj> (including all :scope flags and all symbol table stuff)
<kj> let me check
<kj> ehm. i have to go about now. but if you mean that both TOP and block have an open and close key
<kj> you're right
<kj> that's slightly duplication of code, but it's necessary I think
<wolverian> no, I mean the nqp code 
<kj> right
<kj> the action
* purl <action> action action /me actions
<wolverian> right
<kj> the action method
<wolverian> I'm unsure if there's any difference between the two
<kj> both have an open and close key
<kj> (eh, key=> part)
<kj> yeah I think it's about the same indeed
<kj> except that the final TOP action method will be handling both statements and sub-definitions
<kj> so they're different in the end
<kj> (see ep 6)
<kj> have to go
<kj> back later
<wolverian> well, I don't know if that needs to be differentiated.. thanks! cheers.
<kj> back. subdefinitions cannot be statements, because then we'd allow nested subdefinitions, and that could give squaak programmers the wrong impression that squaak is supporting closures, which it doesn't. 
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<svnbotl> r26516 | particle++ | trunk:
<svnbotl> : [tools] add a new utility to generate release information suitable for charts, reports, etc.
<svnbotl> diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26516
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<svnbotl> : [tools] Updated tools/util/gen_release_info.pl per coding standards and
<svnbotl> : metadata.
<svnbotl> diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26517
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