% slightlyoff has left slightlyoff!~slightlyo@204.14.154.209 % UltraDM has joined #parrot % davidfetter has left davidfetter!~davidfett@start.fetter.org % iblechbot has joined #parrot % contingencyplan has left contingencyplan!~contingen@76.186.27.146 % slavorg has left slavorg!~tomi@windmill.london.pm.org % wknight8111 has joined #parrot % slavorg has joined #parrot % ruoso has joined #parrot % wknight8111 has left wknight8111!~nobody@c-71-230-33-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net % kj has joined #parrot the PCT tutorial is done! See parrotblog.org. % skids has left skids!~bri@c-71-233-204-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net speaking of p*blog.org, would anyone have a use for perlblog.org % kid51 has joined #parrot % gryphon has joined #parrot % rdice has joined #parrot % skids has joined #parrot % c9s has joined #parrot % Psyche^ has joined #parrot % Patterner has left Patterner!~Psyche@e177234187.adsl.alicedsl.de % Psyche^ is now known as Patterner % kid51 has left kid51!~jkeen@cpe-72-226-193-7.rochester.res.rr.com * Coke tries to test something with the gcdebug runcore, and forgot how long this takes. * Coke apologize for taking over feather. =-) "s" % AndyAway is now known as Andy % peepsalot has left peepsalot!~peeps@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com % peepsalot has joined #parrot % ruz has left ruz!~cubic@85.112.113.222 % ruz has joined #parrot % kid51 has joined #parrot Coke: Nobody complained :) % ruz has left ruz!~cubic@85.112.113.222 Juerd: bah. turns out that the thing still does segfault. :| % ruz has joined #parrot % Psyche^ has joined #parrot % Patterner has left Patterner!~Psyche@e177239118.adsl.alicedsl.de % Psyche^ is now known as Patterner % particl1 has joined #parrot % malte has joined #parrot r26526 | jkeenan++ | trunk: : Fix trailing whitespace to meet coding standard. diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26526 pmichaud; ping pmichaud pong I'm baaaack! :-) % jrt4 has left jrt4!~bojangles@c-24-18-106-126.hsd1.wa.comcast.net pmichaud: congratulations on the nuptials! yay coke: thanks. pictures to come soon wb pm pmichaud++ * particl1 has finally gotten internet service on his phone, so can now be online outside of wifi areas (like now) I did the same last week * Coke has that on his iphone. *drool* i'm now browsing the net on the phone as well as on the laptop simultaneously of course, I can only use it *on* the phone which makes it hard to hack on parrot. it came in handy for us when we were in the middle of Springdale UT and needed to look up alternate lodging arrangements indeed. i know i'll be using it in nyc this week. are you using your phone as both a browser and a modem? or just browsing from the phone? browser and modem at once excellent actually, the even-better-use was when I needed to check in on thursday for our southwest flights on friday avoided getting into the dreaded "C loser" group. ah, good point! managed that one from I-70 :-) i was on i-70 on friday, breckenridge->denver I was west of you, then :-) (oh, on _friday_ we were long gone from I-70 I guess ) how was the powder? awesome. 10,000ft++ I think next winter we need to have a downhill perl workshop count me in "Yes, Paula, it's true... we really are having a Perl workshop in Breckenridge..." :-) the hardest part for me was the tow rope to the top of peak 7 riding a snowboard alone on a tow rope up a steep hill is *no joy* I gave up tow ropes early :-) it was so hard to resist, the powder! the speed! the views! *snicker* particl1: How do you manage to be in NYC the one week I'm *not* there? ha! i was just thinking about that kid51: careful planning, perhaps? kid51: where are you? car 54, where are you? I am in Rochester, on my way to Toronto. Won't be back in NYC until late Sunday. alas, i leave nyc early sunday morning :( rochester isn't too far from coke say hi to rdice if you see him in toronto kid51 and I are likely to run into each other. :-) Any parroters near SF? Coke is actually closer to NYC than to Rochester. hrmm. i suppose that's true tene: when will you be in sf? particl1: Starting last night. ah. i won't be there until may If I could recruit some more parroters in NYC, we'd make it a weekend outing to go up to Coke's house and annoy him! Tene: I'm 3 hours away from SF (lake tahoe) * Coke being close to rochester is like pmichaud being close to houston. i'm close to portland... 180mi i've driven there for a perl meeting before same distance from vancouver, and i've driven there for dinner * Coke is 237m from rochester. i guess i forgot just how close rochester is to buffalo ~45minutes? 75m ah. new york is wider than most NE states. =-) for sure. Texas is wider than 48 other states :-) so is your mother-in-law :P HIO! % spez has left spez!~spez@c-67-180-145-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net I know better than to make any comments about my mother-in-law. She doesn't like me very much. that's cause you're no good. and that's why we like you. Hello, pmichaud! when I was working in the silicon valley, I has skied near tahoe. Don't remember the name of the place (it's so cute to hear people make reference to Texas being big :-) ) squaw valley! well, squaw valley is by lake tahoe. purl really does know everything. pmichaud: excuse me? * Coke reminds rdice that texas used to belong to our neighbors, so watch out! purl, status Since Fri Mar 21 21:28:03 2008, there have been 267 modifications and 186 questions. I have been awake for 2 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes, 10 seconds this session, and currently reference 691813 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. actually, texas was a republic :-) a mexican republic? no, a republic in its own right. It was a sovereign nation for about eight years pmichaud: don't cloud my fearmongering with facts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas there's a reason quebec hasn't seceded! =-) Coke, we're probably pretty safe. Republicans would never admit Ontario into the US -- we'd get about 27 electoral college votes and they'd all go hard Democrat. (like a popular vote of 80/20 at least) is there a province that would go hard republican? The closest would be Alberta, and the surveys there were 60/40 to the Democrats. Which (according to the Votemaster) would make it a "strong democrat" "state". yes, I think you're safe. At least until the current U.S. administration decides it needs to promote democracy in Canada. :-) is that true that people in Texas drive like crazy people? (Votemaster = http://www.electoral-vote.com/ , and also the author of Minix :-) ) cognominal: I don't notice crazy driving in texas. worst drivers I've ever found are in Louisiana. or, perhaps I should phrase that differently I _used_ to think the drivers in (south) texas were awful, but then I moved to Louisiana. * Coke tries to figure out why we have Pmc2c::Method and Pmc2c::PCCMETHOD s/why we have/if we need/ * particl1 registered www.entropyneutral.org yesterday r26527 | jkeenan++ | trunk: : Applying patch submitted in RT 38194 ([TODO] build - optimize pmc2c.pl). Reduce number of invocations of FindBin. diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26527 carbon neutral is so five minutes ago Coke: re Pmc2c/*.pm: ask tewk. kid51: I suspect it's more of a question for chromatic, given his work in the pdd17 branch. I suspect they can be collapsed, though. why California votes Clinton more than Obama? cognominal: Clinton won a huge segment of the latino vote in California with our bling-bling president, we don't have any more time for foreign politics % cotto_work has joined #parrot afk, errands % UltraDM has left UltraDM!~george@dasapass.avira.com kj, nice job finishing the Parrot tutorial! % jjore is now known as zz_jjore % zz_jjore is now known as jjore % Psyche^ has joined #parrot % Patterner has left Patterner!~Psyche@d138128.adsl.hansenet.de % Psyche^ is now known as Patterner purl seen Infinoid? Infinoid was last seen on #parrot 53 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: Tene: I'm 3 hours away from SF (lake tahoe) Infinoid ping particl1: Any comment on http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=40653 ? kid51: hi! looking kid51: i like that test. it's definitely a good first take. i recommend committing it Infinoid: re the change to config/auto/perldoc.pm. I'll have to trust you on that. It DWIMs for me on Linux and Darwin, so it Does No Harm. I don't really understand where scriptdirexp comes from, though. comes from perl5's Config.pm someone (I believe it was wolverian) had a weird perl5.10.0 configuration that was installed in his homedir, and his scriptdir was set to ".../" which is apparently shorthand for "go figure it out yourself" something to do with $^X I'm not disputing that. It's just that on both Darwin and Linux, when I call perldoc -m Config and look thru the output, I only see 'scriptdir' -- not 'scriptdirexp'. So how does init::defaults on those OSes pick up scriptdirexp? % Psyche^ has joined #parrot its autoloaded from Config_heavy.pl k thanks for the review % Patterner has left Patterner!~Psyche@e177228223.adsl.alicedsl.de % Psyche^ is now known as Patterner % kid51 is now known as kid51_afk % rdice has left rdice!~richard_d@CPE0014bfafbbd5-CM0011e6ecf48a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com kid51_afk: is that checking just docs/pdds/ or ../draft too? % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@c-24-21-175-208.hsd1.mn.comcast.net * particl1 heads out for yet another dr's appointment % particl1 has left particl1!~JGay@32.175.42.37 * Coke good lucks. I hate it when people say "PERL" % kid51_afk is now known as kid51 Coke: It is checking drafts, there's one error I have to correct. kid51: ok. I am uncertain of whether or not I think it *should* check there, was just curious. Yes, it is intended to check there. After all, in both directories the files are PDDs. They're just in different stages of development/approval -- correct? % malte has left malte!~chatzilla@p5098a50c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de my thought was relating to just how *draft* it is. =-) but yah, might as well check both. kid51++ % jrt4 has joined #parrot % particl1 has joined #parrot pmichaud: if you're looking for an easy win, finishing up your P6Regex removal is down to pretty much one (already broken) file. http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=48028 ... even though I spelled its wrong. (Curses!) coke++ # entropy reduction % davidfetter has joined #parrot I was going to see about removing it, then I noticed it was broken. then I noticed something it needed was broken. then I... realized I should just open some tickets. Infinoid, it's not weird, it's a relocatable perl. well, I suppose you might call that weird. the relocatability is new in 5.10, anyway. "it's not weird, it's ... perl" r26528 | jkeenan++ | trunk: : Adding t/codingstd/pdd_format.t to check formatting of PDDs in docs/pdds/ and : docs/pdds/draft per RT 40653. diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26528 % Psyche^ has joined #parrot * particl1 goes for errands & airport % particl1 has left particl1!~JGay@166.191.129.226 % Patterner has left Patterner!~Psyche@e177112006.adsl.alicedsl.de % Psyche^ is now known as Patterner % jrockway has left jrockway!~jrockway@dsl092-134-178.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net % jrockway has joined #parrot r26529 | jkeenan++ | trunk: : Change name of config step class gen::icu to auto::icu. It was not : generating any new files. It was simply another automated probe of the : configuration environment. Make additional corrections as needed in : Parrot::Configure::Step::List, MANIFEST and tests. % Theory has joined #parrot % kid51 has left kid51!~jkeen@cpe-72-226-193-7.rochester.res.rr.com % Psyche^ has joined #parrot % rdice has joined #parrot % Patterner has left Patterner!~Psyche@92.224.105.5 % Psyche^ is now known as Patterner % Auzon has joined #parrot % ruoso has left ruoso!~ruoso@195.23.92.2 % contingencyplan has joined #parrot % rdice has left rdice!~richard_d@CPE001b112521ef-CM00169240dee2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com % Auzon has left Auzon!~ak@mobile210-218.near.uiuc.edu % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@c-71-193-152-96.hsd1.or.comcast.net % Theory has joined #parrot % rdice has joined #parrot % ruoso has joined #parrot % malte has joined #parrot % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@c-71-193-152-96.hsd1.or.comcast.net would Parrot be interested in hosting the zeroinstall interface file on parrotcode.org itself? % malte has left malte!~chatzilla@d021219.adsl.hansenet.de a redirect is enough, and it gives parrotcode.org control you could even redirect to multiple implementations by packagers :) it would be hard to regain that control if another URI is in widespread use, unfortunately If I know what a zeroinstall interface file was, possibly. =-) s/know/knew/ # argh example at http://quackcode.org/2008/interfaces/parrot.xml oh, and there's an interface.xsl (xslt) and a GPG key, because remote feeds must always be signed that doesn't tell me what it *is*. well, ok, what it *does*. zeroinstall? ah of course :) zeroinstall is a package manager zeroinstall is http://0install.net/roadmap.html only it's distributed, nonprivileged, secure and more of that stuff and a package isn't referred to as "parrot" but as such a URI (of which multiple implementations may exist) there should be an interface file at that URI though, or things will go wrong if I install package A which depends on Parrot, because it can't find how to install Parrot s/install/download/ do we need to maintain multiple urls for various versions? nope they're all in one interface file the 2008 is only for namespacing seems reasonable. I'd open a ticket with the XML attached (that'll cc the list and give folks a chance to comment.) okay, but if I'm the only packager for Parrot, it'd be more useful to put a different interface there which 'includes' my feed but better have a proper interface there if Real Parrot People package too :) * bgeron tries what such a file would look like I'd include that in the email. =-) okay, thanks a third alternative is to just include multiple packagers in that feed % Theory has joined #parrot well, the point is that if people use a parrotcode.org URI, we can easily change that it seems vaguely like java web start. -> there is a comparison to JWS on http://0install.net/matrix.html, and it looks a lot like it indeed % Limbic_Region has joined #parrot % daxelrod has joined #parrot % nnunley_ has joined #parrot % nnunley_ has left nnunley_!dragon@66.45.34.102 % rdice has left rdice!~richard_d@CPE001217e365c7-CM00159a01d44c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com the interface URI at parrotcode.org should start with www., I guess? the web server seems to redirect to www.parrotcode.org/blah if not http://bgeron.nl/~bgeron/0install-parrot/ should be what you'd upload in /2008/interfaces/ % daxelrod has left daxelrod!~daxelrod@pikachu-33.dynamic.rpi.edu % daxelrod has joined #parrot % nnunley has left nnunley!~nnunley@seatbelt.jerakeen.org % nnunley has joined #parrot % kj has left kj!~IceChat7@ip565fd420.direct-adsl.nl % skids has left skids!bri@charon.clarku.edu % Andy has left Andy!~AndyL@host3130.follett.com % iblechbot has left iblechbot!~iblechbot@148.4-dial.augustakom.net % ruoso has left ruoso!~ruoso@a83-132-209-29.cpe.netcabo.pt % daxelrod has left daxelrod!~daxelrod@pikachu-33.dynamic.rpi.edu % rdice has joined #parrot % rdice has left rdice!~richard_d@CPE001217e365c7-CM00159a01d44c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com either the mailing list is slow, or Coke hasn't sent his email yet :) Or both! % gryphon has left gryphon!~gryphon@dsl-209-221-185-54.zipcon.net % skids has joined #parrot % kid51 has joined #parrot % daxelrod has joined #parrot % daxelrod has left daxelrod!~daxelrod@pikachu-33.dynamic.rpi.edu I wasn't sending an email. % grim_fandango has joined #parrot So, I'm a bit confused. "I'd" => "i would (if I were you)" * Coke tries to figure out what tense that is. Who are you talking to? Yours is the first post in nearly an hour! % wknight8111 has joined #parrot kid51: an hour is nothing in the surreal time that IRC provides As Coke would say, "Heh!" % rdice has joined #parrot kid51: FYI, about 3 hours ago bgeron asked if parrotcode.org would be interested in something called "zeroinstall", Coke guided him a little. 19:02 <@bgeron> either the mailing list is slow, or Coke hasn't sent his email yet :) % rdice has left rdice!~richarddi@CPE001217e365c7-CM00159a01d44c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com r26530 | jkeenan++ | trunk: : Skip all manifest tools tests when not working in a checkout from the repository. All our manifest-generating tools depend on running version control functions. 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