<mj41> hi, t/stm/runtime.t hangs occasionaly (last observed in r27012 in second smoke run) - i386-linux-thread-multi
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<Infinoid> g++ has some special handling of "const" which makes unreferenced const global variables disappear.  this causes linker issues later on...
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<dalek> r27014 | rafl++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [examples] make nci/ls.pir work again.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27014
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<spinclad> particle: lightning language: define SKI combinators and application.  :)
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<dalek> r27015 | infinoid++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [core] g++ likes to remove unreferenced globals that were declared as "const".
<dalek> : This causes linker failures later, because other objects wanted to reference
<dalek> : that global.
<dalek> : g++ will still emit the global, if it sees an "extern" declaration too.  So, do that.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27015
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<dalek> r27016 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [win32]
<dalek> : - update gcc version
<dalek> : - update Inno Setup version
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27016
<dalek> r27017 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [docs]
<dalek> : - remove language TAP 
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27017
<dalek> r27018 | coke++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [codingstd]
<dalek> : Enable another perl coding standard: prohibit function prototypes.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27018
<Coke> Hurm. I just tried to install Perl::Critic::Bangs with a local perl, and it failed.
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<rafl> i wonder what to read if i'm interested in writing bindings for c libs
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<Infinoid> rafl: perhaps start with docs/pdds/draft/pdd16_native_call.pod
<rafl> thanks, Infinoid.
<Infinoid> http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52988 has a nice example of binding libGL
<rafl> Infinoid: uhm.. callbacks need to return void? :-/
<Tene> rafl: also there are existing SDL bindings in the tree that you can look at for an example.
<Infinoid> rafl: I don't actually know.  if that's the case, it does look like a major shortcoming.
<Infinoid> there are 7 billion people on this planet, surely one of them will want to use NCI to call qsort() at some point :)
<rafl> Tene: seen that. to me it locked like most if it could be autogenerated. thought there might be a new way to do bindings given that is has been quite a while since the sdl stuff was written.
<rafl> Infinoid: or any other non-trivial library..
<Tene> rafl: autogenerating nci bindings was one of the goals of languages/c99
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<rafl> i see
<Tene> Hasn't been done yet, though.  I think one of the gsoc proposals was about that?
* Tene looks.
<pmichaud> I know that someone has been looking into reviewing NCI handling in Parrot
<Tene> Yeah, looks like that was one of the applications accepted for sponsorship.
<rafl> cool
<rafl> how many gsoc slots did tpf get this year?
<pmichaud> I don't think it's been officially announced yet
<rafl> projects have been notified already. thought someone might know it.
<cognominal> strangely there is support for try but not for CATCH in rakudo
<cognominal> how  do write a test, so as to catch an error message?
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<dalek> r27019 | infinoid++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [IMCC] Fix up to compile cleanly with g++.  This is part of the patch from
<dalek> : RT#52874; Senaka++.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27019
<cognominal> pmichaud?
<purl> pmichaud is probably http://www.pmichaud.com/ or "Patrick R. Michaud" <mailto:pmichaud@pobox.com>
<Coke> rafl: SFAIK, it's still not final.
<Coke> it's merely nigh-official.
<cognominal> do you have an idea?
<rafl> ok
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<Infinoid> anyone here have access to a tru64 box?
<Infinoid> would be nice to get #39753 retested.
<Infinoid> also, #31806 could use a review.
<cognominal> http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=53016  # can someone review my patch that defined a hash() composer for rakudo
<moritz> where's that thing specced?
<Infinoid> S04
<moritz> my %h = hash( @a, %a, 5, 6);
<moritz> I still can't find that syntax
<moritz> oh, I'm too dump
<moritz> ignore more ;)
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<rafl> cognominal: s/use v6\K-alpha//
<moritz> what's \K?
<rafl> a 5.10 regex feature. keeps everything left of it, lik Regex::Keep
<rafl> Regexp::Keep, sorry.
<cognominal> rafl: anyway this test file would be really useful if I could comment out the tests for errors
<cognominal> any idea
<moritz> ah
<rafl> cognominal: no, sorry.
<cognominal> I am working to support my %h = {  @a, %a, 5, 6 }  but that will be ugly
<Infinoid> t/rakudo/hash_composer......Statement not terminated properly at line 7, near "my @a = (1"
<cognominal> arf, I change the 3 to 1 and erase the comma :(
<pmichaud> { @a, %a, 5, 6 } isn't a hash.
<cognominal> I misread S04?
<cognominal> it should be a hash composer
<pmichaud> possibly.  curly braces make a hash only if the closure is empty, or a comma-separated list starting with a pair or a hash
<pmichaud> @a isn't a hash, so it's code.
<cognominal> ha ok, I patches the example from hash() witout thinking
<cognominal> that the very reason the patch will be ugly
<pmichaud> it's not so bad.  Whenever we get a block in term position, we just check it to see if it's empty or contains a single infix:<,>  node
<pmichaud> or is a pair or hash
<pmichaud> if it is, then we convert it to be a call to the hash composer function
<pmichaud> instead of a block.
<cognominal> anyway if hash() makes in, we already have something clean enough.
<pmichaud> I need to look at hash() just a bit more but my first impression is that it's okay
<pmichaud> is it using Parrot's 'Pair' class?  Did Rakudo decide to use Parrot Pairs or make its own?
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<cognominal> it uses classes/Pair.pir 
<cognominal> I think
<cognominal> hi jq
<jq> hey.
<pmichaud> ugh, Perl6Pair is using Parrot's Pair.  Bad.
<pmichaud> I'll probably refactor that.
<pmichaud> unless Parrot's Pair has been improved since the last time I looked at it
<cognominal> hum I forgot a test for pairs
<cognominal> in the test.
<cognominal> anyway the root problem is classes  derived from pmc that have same name as the pmc.
<pmichaud> I agree, that's a problem.  I don't know when the Parrot gods will fix that.
<cognominal> sure, I am not a god here
<pmichaud> me neither, as far as that goes.
<pmichaud> afk, lunch
<cognominal> for rakudo this is may be the hight priority problem
<cognominal> highest...
<purl> highest is 5 dan
<cognominal> not in go, purl
<purl> cognominal: huh?
<pmichaud> we can work around the class naming conflicts for now
<pmichaud> but yes, it's a high-priority thing
<pmichaud> (really gone now)
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<spinclad> no, purl, highest is 9 dan
<purl> okay, spinclad.
* Coke 
<ambs> who is playing with readline?
<Coke> i didn't do it.
<ambs> :)
<ambs> probably is particle?
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<dalek> r27020 | ambs++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Fix #52818: readline detection failing.
<dalek> : Needs some testing.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27020
<ambs> working under two different linux distros, and darwin with macports
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<ambs> oops... I need to read Damian's book
<dalek> r27021 | ambs++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Fixed a Coding Standard (cuddled_else)
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27021
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<cognominal> on unix if I do make perl6 in the main Makefile, it does not rebuild the perl6.pbc if actions.pm has changed.
<cognominal> can't see what is wrong on the makefile though
<PerlJam> cognominal: check the timestamps of the files.  Maybe your clock is wonky?
* Tene is reminded of "Recursive Make Considered Harmful"
<Coke> cognominal: the main makefile doesn't depend on anything in languages/perl6
<PerlJam> oh, I was thinking of languages/perl6/Makefile as the "main makfile"
<PerlJam> "make perl6" just builds the perl6 executable from perl6.pbc right?  (I don't have a parrot source tree handy)
<Tene> perl6$(EXE): perl6.pbc
<Tene>     $(PBC_TO_EXE) perl6.pbc
<Tene> PerlJam: what happens if you run 'make perl6.pbc' ?
<Coke> tene: yes, see my previous rant in here about all the various makefiles we have.
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<Coke> pmichaud: my simple hack to get perl6 tests running is, of course, not so simple.
<Coke> I'll beat my head against it some this evening.
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<cognominal> this is no big deal, make perl6 justs avoided me to cd back and forth between the main and the perl6 folders
<cognominal> s/avoided/would have avoided me/;
<markus> Hi. I'm watching development on parrot for some time now and I would like to learn more about parrot. So I thought about looking into #45015 (implementing Rational-PMC), at first. Is using gmplib an acceptable way for implementing this in your opinion?
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<Infinoid> probably.  We're already using gmp for bigint.pmc, so that may make a good example to steal from.
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<markus> Yes, I saw that it is used in bigint as well, so I thought it would be the best choice.
<Infinoid> yeah, there's a lot less to reinvent that way.
<markus> Okay, than I'll probably work on it and tell you, when I'm confident that I can finish it. :-)
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<Coke> markus++
<Infinoid> there's one thing I've always wondered about.  Suppose gmp can't be found.  (Or suppose someone devious like me has disabled it locally because g++ barfs on gmp.h.)  Does that mean we don't get bigints or rats or any of that?
<avar> If this becomes a problem gmp could be bundled with parrot
<pmichaud> Coke: (perl6 testing)  yeah, I figured it was a bit more complex.  That's always been the brick wall I've run into, which is why I think "start over from scratch" is the most promising option.
<markus> As far as I've understood bigint.pmc, you would get an exception when using bigint and gmp is not available
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<dalek> Michal Jurosz | RFP: Parrot Needs Better Smoke Reports:
<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?rfp_parrot_needs_better_smoke_reports
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<shorten> dalek's url is at http://xrl.us/bfeof
<Coke> win 2
<szbalint> irssi++
<Tene> win 4
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<Infinoid> /you wins an internet!
<moritz> that's my second internet today
<Infinoid> they're hot-swappable
<cognominal> pmichaud, do you have any hint about http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=53018 ?  
<cognominal> one "just" need to generate the right name space for grammar token.
<cognominal> My problem is to understant what "just" entails...
<cognominal> I mean the right name space for grammar rules
<dalek> will@coleda.com | RFP: Parrot Needs Better Smoke Reports:
<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?rfp_parrot_needs_better_smoke_reports
<Infinoid> cool.
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<diakopter> I suppose dalek could provide the wiki diff link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?action=revision_compare&page_name=rfp_parrot_needs_better_smoke_reports&mode=source&Button=Compare+Revisions
<moritz> that's a bit too long IMHO
<diakopter> oh, also, it's wrong :) sorry
<diakopter> (Compare Revisions 31 and 31)
<diakopter> never mind
<purl> Okie dokie
<particle> page link plus xrl diff link might be nice
<purl> Sorry, I don't know link's email address.
<particle> page particle
<Infinoid> xrl both of 'em :)
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<spinclad> page particle: a folion
<purl> Sorry, I don't know particle:'s email address.
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<jonathan> I may have some time, but likely not much connectivity, over the weekend...got a family wedding to pop over to the UK for. Anyone got anything they'd like me to hack on Rakudo wise?
<Infinoid> if you run out of Rakudo tasks (unlikely), there's always the packfile PMC stuff :)
<Tene> jonathan: use SDL;
<jonathan> Tene: What specifically do you need?
<jonathan> Infinoid: I thought I'd delegated that? ;-)
<Tene> jonathan: Parrot has SDL libraries, but I can only use them from PIR (or NQP through inline PIR).
<jonathan> I did read your mail, though. :-)
<jonathan> It looks like a sensible, step-by-step plan.
<Infinoid> great, thanks
<jonathan> Though test wise, sure you'll need some new ones, but also making sure you havne't got any new ones from the main test suite failing is a good thing too.
<Infinoid> I might not have as much time to work on it as I had hoped, this weekend.  At some point, I have to go sort out a friend's mail server.
<ambs> night, folks
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<jonathan> Tene: OK, so you need a way to use PBC libraries from Perl 6.
<Tene> jonathan: Yes.
<jonathan> I'll have a think about it, don't know that it's especially easy, but I might be able to make something workable.
<Tene> I'm not sure if PAST supports that yet.
<jonathan> Infinoid: Well, any progress on it is very welcome. :-)
<jonathan> Not sure that PAST needs to specifically support it.
<jonathan> Are the SDL libraries in PIR OO or just a functional interface?
<Infinoid> by "sort out", I mean "replace"... they don't make rubber gloves thick enough for me to touch Microsoft Exchange
<jonathan> Ouch.
<Infinoid> anyway, at the bare minimum I'll get the .pmc class files in place, and hopefully start fleshing them out
<jonathan> OK, that's a good start.
<Tene> jonathan: check out examples/sdl/blue_rect.pl 
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<jonathan> Aha.
<jonathan> OK, no promises I'll succeed, but I'll have a go.
<Tene> Fantastic.
<jonathan> Other plans are improve performance of assignments in the absence of type constraints to check.
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<particle> Infinoid: make sure you run make testr
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<Infinoid> particle: its in a dev branch, I intend to break *everything* :P
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<particle> Infinoid: i mean, testr will convert everything to a pbc before it runs it
<particle> it's a great way to test the pbc code
<Infinoid> cool!
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<kid51> Yes, plus the most recent updates for iTunes and Quick Time.
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<dalek> r27022 | infinoid++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Apply (slightly modified) OpenGL patch from Geoff Broadwell in RT #52988.  Geoff++
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27022
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