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<dalek> r27288 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [pcre]
<dalek> : - detabify
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27288
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<mj41> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/19/0259236  Hackontest — 24h Open Source Coding Marathon
<Jonathan> That sounds...RSI-inducing.
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<tetragon> Infinoid: All tests in t/pmc/env.t pass with the simple #define patch
<mj41> and on Google OS blog http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/05/happy-hacking-real-time.html
<shorten> mj41's url is at http://xrl.us/bj3xx
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<dalek> r27289 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Applying patch submitted in RT 53592.  Touch-ups to config/auto/pcre.pm and
<dalek> : two files of unit tests for that config step class.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27289
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<dalek> r27290 | infinoid++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [pmc] env.pmc wants to use **environ directly, which isn't possible on OSX.
<dalek> : * Fix it to look up the address of environ at runtime, on OS X.
<dalek> : * Other architectures should be unaffected.
<dalek> : * tetragon++ for reporting, discussing and testing. 
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27290
<Infinoid> tetragon: thanks
<Infinoid> what else was on your linker failure list?
* Coke skips review.
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<tetragon> With -fvisibility=hidden removed from the flag lists, the OpenGL callbacks
<Coke> Infinoid: env was working on my osx platform. did you break it? =-)
<tetragon> They needed to by pointed at libparrot
<Coke> (or did I miss an intermediate patch that changed something.)
<tetragon> I did a run that threw errors on undefined symbols instead of looking them up dynamically
<tetragon> (at runtime)
<tetragon> environ is not defined when linking shared libraries
<Infinoid> out of curiosity, does that mean tests failed before?
<tetragon> No
<tetragon> I think what was happening then is that it would look _environ up dynamically at runtime
<tetragon> (It being dyld)
<tetragon> And it would be found
<Infinoid> I vaguely remember that this is leading up to removing some other, bigger breakage, but I can't remember the details
<tetragon> If parrot weren't linked against libparrot (and libparrot was only found through dynamic lookup) I think failure would have been more likely
<Infinoid> fortunately, that isn't very likely :)
<tetragon> I think I'll do another -undefined=error (the default) build tonight, this time without removing all references to -fvisibility=hidden
<Infinoid> ok
<Infinoid> I don't understand what needs to be done to the opengl callbacks, so some more details, or a patch, would help there
<tetragon> I got it to go with editing a single line in Makefile
<tetragon> (Although that is only for testing purposes)
<Infinoid> (oh, that's the breakage I was remembering!  -undefined dynamic_lookup.)
<tetragon> In the rule for $(LIBGLUTCB_SO), I added -lparrot to the list of arguments to $(LD)
<tetragon> (and it's dependency list really should have libparrot added to it)
<tetragon> Anyway, I'm off
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<Coke> purl, 68+709+88
<purl> 865
<Zaba> purl, nine eleven times two thousand three hundred and fifty six!
<purl> Zaba: huh?
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<Coke> purl, msg chromatic http://news.perlfoundation.org/2008/05/2008q2_grant_proposals.html :: look for the text "A Perl 6-dependent project."
<purl> Message for chromatic stored.
<shorten> Coke's url is at http://xrl.us/bj3v3
* Coke is down to < 50 tcl tickets left in the parrot queue.
<obra> coke++
<obra> (rt-tickets)--
<ambs> :D
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<Infinoid> holodeck programs?  ouch.
<Coke> I'm just moving them out of perl's RT into partcl's issue tracker.
<Coke> sorry, obra. =-)
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<obra> what is partcl using?
<Coke> I opened a googlecode project.
<obra> is articl going to use gcode svn as well?
<obra> er. "parcl"
<Coke> Just recently, with the impending 1.0 boot from the repository, and the fact that tcl's 80 tickets were crowding the parrot RT queue.
<Coke> "partcl" =-)
<obra> I managed to get a _different_ subset of jerry's name.
<obra> it's early. i can't type. or something
<Coke> partcl ain't particle.
<obra> I know it. I just can't type.
<Coke> it's leaving the repo. mdiep wants github; I think the svn repo in gcode would be fine.
<Coke> but for now, it's still hanging out here.
* obra nods
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<ambs> lol@partcl and particle!
<Tene> perhaps I should rename "cardinal" to "carticle"
* particle wonders where the popularity of his nick came from
<Coke> rubicule
<cotto_home> phpicle
<Tene> particle: you're just such a sexy man.
<Infinoid> par-tickle!
* particle isn't ticlish
* Infinoid isn't tclsh either :)
<particle> er, tclish?
<particle> darned muscle memory
<Infinoid> hehe
<Tene> lots of lab time in class today, any requests on what I should work on?
<particle> converting pugs/t/ to t/spec/
<Tene> Hm.  I don't have a copy of pugs on my laptop, and no internet connection except on my phone.
<particle> i wouldn't co all of pugs, it'll take a week and a day
<particle> just svn co http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/t pugs/t
<Tene> no internet connection on the laptop.
<particle> ah. i see. you can't connect your laptop to the internet via your phone
<Eevee> if you *can* I'd love to know how
<Tene> I could, but the docs on doing that are all online, and I never remember to try when I do have a net connection
<Eevee> haha, same
* particle almost has it figured out
<particle> pmichaud does have it working, via bluetooth
<Eevee> figuring it out via a 3"x3" screen is a little harder
<particle> http://www.pmichaud.com/sandbox/gprs.txt
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<Infinoid> I can connect my laptop to the internet via my phone
<Infinoid> its a mess of rfcomm, bluetooth, and ppp, but it works :)
* Tene goes to check out of the hotel
<paco> solaris10-sparc-gcc : make test: Failed 1/581 test programs. 1/11005 subtests failed.
* particle wants to use his usb connector, so he can charge the phone simultaneously
<Eevee> oh right I have linux on my laptop now
<Eevee> linux can wire anything into anything
<particle> which test, paco?
<particle> on windows, the gprs modem Just Works
<paco> #   Failed test 'atan, part 2' #   at t/op/trans.t line 380. #          got: 'not 0.000000ok 1 # ' #     expected: 'ok 1
<Eevee> from my previous attempt I seem to recall something about bluetooth intertubes being half-disabled on the treo 700p
<Infinoid> there's an AT command that I had to use, to tell it how to connect to AT&T
<Infinoid> there's an array of connection types, and mine was missing the entry it needed
<Eevee> sounds like how far I got
<Eevee> except that didn't actually work
* particle can connect, but immediately gets SIGHUP
<Eevee> of course
<Eevee> my laptop battery is completely dead at the moment
<Eevee> that might be a more useful problem to solve
<Infinoid> :)
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* particle wonders what it would take to implement the CALLER package in rakudo
<Infinoid> hmm.  I'm having rfcomm issues at the moment.  thinking about implementing the bluetooth stack in rakudo while we're at it :)
<particle> what's the perl 6 socket api look like?
<obra> particle: pugs has tests
<particle> pugs/t> ack socket
<particle> >
<Eevee> ack++
<Infinoid> rfcomm issues solved by rebooting phone.
<Eevee> technology sure has progress
<Eevee> now we can even reboot our phones
<Eevee> I can't wait until I have to reboot my toaster
<Eevee> or patch it to fix a remote execution vulnerability
<Infinoid> I'm looking forward to rebooting my toothpaste dispensor
<Eevee> whoops, s/progress/progressed/
<Infinoid> and running seti@home on my toaster
<Eevee> if they built f@h in, they could claim that their toaster cures cancer
<Infinoid> New And Improved!  Cures Cancer!  Real Soon Now.
* Infinoid re-reads parrotbyte.pod
<Eevee> * may not cure cancer
<Infinoid> in the future, toaster heating elements will be made by Intel
<Eevee> the dial will be labeled "1 2 3 3.99999823565 5"
<Infinoid> Black & Decker toaster oven commercials will tell you to look for the Intel Inside logo
<Eevee> then Apple will release their own line of toasters that only toast Apple bread
<Infinoid> ...but have seamless itunes integration, of course
<Eevee> you can toast in time with your music!
<Eevee> * for a nominal fee on top of the cost of the song
<Infinoid> it can waggle the toast to the beat
<Eevee> I can imagine the commercials now
<Eevee> toast silhouette dancing around
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<dalek> r27291 | infinoid++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [cage] set svn:mime-type on t/steps/auto_pcre-02.t
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27291
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<pmichaud> pong
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<particle> donkey kong
* pmichaud seriously considers registering itoast.com
<pmichaud> looks like it's taken.  how about itoaster?
<particle> it burns an apple logo into your bread
<pmichaud> heh
<dalek> r27292 | ambs++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Make version number be printed consistently with other tests.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27292
<paco> solaris10-Sun C 5.9 SunOS_sparc : parrot compiles Ok, make perl6 says : Hello, world. :)
<paco> making tests
<purl> making tests is probably more of the advocatus diaboli side of coding for me :)
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<pmichaud> afk # flight
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<paco> solaris10-Sun C 5.9 SunOS_sparc : make test : All tests successful. Files=581, Tests=10996
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* Coke imagines most six letter .com domain names are taken (review)
* Jonathan sees most of the backscroll seems to be about toasters
* Coke gets toasted
<davidfetter> The Online Attribute Storage System?
<Coke> s/System/Technique/!
<davidfetter> d'oh
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<particle> Two-sided Object Application of Scorching Technique
* Eevee applauds
<Jonathan> May or may not have time for Parrot/Rakudo stuff this weekend...either way, will do another Rakudo Day next week. :-)
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<Coke> ... what does ticket 31151 mean?
<Coke> Automate string vtable generation"
<Coke> I vote close the ticket. =-)
* Coke will hit the list.
<Jonathan> Doesn't mean that much to me...maybe check...yes, that's right. :-)
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<Infinoid> could it mean autogenerating src/vtable.tbl?
<Jonathan> But...what from?
<Infinoid> I guess pmc2c could do that, but it doesn't seem like a very good idea
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<Infinoid> and I don't know what it has to do with strings
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<dalek> r27293 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Eclectus]
<dalek> : Put library functions into src/builtins/all.pir
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27293
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<rillian> is c99 supposed to pass its tests?
<ambs> someday
<ambs> :D
* Jonathan -> dinner
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<rillian> t/spi....Method 'get_scalar' not found for invocant of class 'Undef'
<rillian> I've made PCT do that
<rillian> :)
<rillian> ambs: so running codec source through it is a little ambitious of yet?
<Infinoid> Coke: your "Automate string vtable generation" was in TODO in subversion r26, 2001-09-10
<ambs> rillian, in fact, I was kidding, but I really think c99 is not yet in a stable point to pass its tests.
<ambs> Infinoid, are you training for archeologist?
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<Infinoid> no, just looking for good excuses to use my shiny new svn-bisect tool :)
<ambs> lol
<particle> rillian: check the svn log on languages/c99/ for hints
<rillian> well, c99 parses 'hello world' and even gets the string into PIR, but fails to call 'say' on it
<dalek> r27294 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Eclectus]
<dalek> : No need to recompile driver_nqp.pir for every script invocation.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27294
<rillian> particle: thanks
<rillian> btw, I had a NQP questions
<rillian> question
<particle> i *knew* we had a reason for commit messages :)
<ambs> particle, we have?
<rillian> when you say $<else>=<block> in a rule, why does $<else> end up an array instead of a single result, even when there's only one of them?
<particle> because in the grammar, else has a question mark after it
<particle> so it's an array that contains either 0 or 1 value
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<particle> + makes an array of 1 or more
<particle> * 0 or more
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<rillian> particle: aha, thanks. that makes sense finally
<rillian> not used to the language doing so much thinking for me :)
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<cotto_work> barney, ping
<cotto_work> seen barney
<purl> barney was last seen on #parrot 3 days and 1 hour ago, saying: I think that whiteknight wrote some new content  [Apr 29 11:21:48 2008]
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<dalek> r27295 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Eclectus]
<dalek> : Keep the generated *.nqp files.
<dalek> : Fix some test names, avoid whitespace.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27295
<barney> cotto_work: pong
<cotto_work> what are you using as a grammar for the pct version of plumhead?
<cotto_work> is there something known to work from an acceptable license that you're copying?
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<barney> It's been a while. As far as I remember I copied from grammars in Parrot repos. Starting from scratch for PHP specific stuff.
<cotto_work> nuts
<cotto_work> it'd be nice if there were a way to steal/modify the grammar from the reference implementation without messing up licensing issues
<barney> Also an article from ANTLR 'Island grammars',
<barney> I'd suggest to collaborate with the PHC guys, even though PHC is currently not very active.
<paco> hi, I am trying to make a 64 bit parrot executable in solaris10-sparc but - perl Configure.pl --ccflags=m64 - gives me a 32bit executable. any idea ? - my kernel is 32bit but I can make and execute 64 bit binaries : hello64:        ELF 64-bit MSB executable SPARCV9 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped
<particle[ventus]> paco: likely you'll need to experiment and modify config/hints/solaris.pm
<cotto_work> is there any reason not to try to get the PHP guys to relicense the (two) relevant files in PHP
<cotto_work> 's source?
<particle[ventus]> if you ask on the mailing list, andy dougherty may be able to help. he's never in #parrot, though
<paco> ok, i can experiment.., I only ask  because I dont know if there is interest ..
<particle[ventus]> yes, there is definitely interest
<particle[ventus]> 64bit++
<paco> ok, thanks particle
<particle[ventus]> i'd love to get 64bit compiles working on windows, too
<barney> cotto_work: Nothing speaking against it. I never talked to PHP guys, as I don't really know PHP. 
<barney> found my PHP references:  "PHP kurz&gut" from O'Reilly   and   PHP GE-PACKT from mitp-Verlag  
<cotto_work> cool.  I'll coordinate with allison and find out what would be needed.  It would certainly take away some of the guesswork to be able to copy the upstream implementation with impunity.
<Coke> (licensing) Or you could move the language out of the parrot repo and avoid any licensing issues.
<Coke> s/any/many/
<barney> cotto: Sounds good
<purl> i seem to remember a line from "The Italian Job" about that.... ;)
<Coke> I need to ask allison about getting out of the parrot repo.
<particle[ventus]> what do you need to ask?
<cotto_work> Coke: that's also a possibility, but it's nice to have all the code in one place
<barney> Having it in the Parrot repos is also nice for sharing modules between languages implementations
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<Coke> cotto_work: all the languages are getting booted by 1.0
<Coke> particle[ventus]: primarily if the TPF will cede the copyright, or how that'll work.
<Eevee> Coke: where are they going?
<Coke> Eevee: "elsewhere"
<cotto_work> Coke, true, but I expect parrot to have stabilized by that time
<cotto_work> (somewhat)
<Coke> by 1.0? one can hope. =-)
<Coke> ... We need to have a release party, btw.
<cotto_work> having it there in the meantime would help keep it from bitrotting
<Coke> (perhaps at one of the yapc's, whenever it happens)
<Coke> cotto_work: sure, just trying to help avoid a licensing kerfuffle.
<cotto_work> I appreciate it
<barney> cotto_work: How are your licensing woes with MS ?
<cotto_work> no word yet, and my boss is out for the day so I can't ask him
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<spinclad> Tene: re anyone speak ruby, check with mncharity on #perl6, maybe   # old backlog, i know
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<davidfetter> boa tarde, ruoso__ 
<davidfetter> vc em brasil?
<ambs> davidfetter, PT
<ambs> :)
* davidfetter finds this very confusing
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* ambs can't guarantee, in fact
<Coke> was verwirrend ist?
<Tene> spinclad: I just asked the ruby repl instead
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<dalek> r27296 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Eclectus]
<dalek> : Keep the *.pir files generated during 'make test'.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27296
<dalek> r27297 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Eclectus]
<dalek> : Clean up generated *.pbc files.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27297
<barney> Is there an example for calling a sub written in NQP from PIR ?   Without dumping NQP to PIR first.
<ambs> Coke, yes, I need a diet.
<particle[ventus]> the nqp needs to be compiled to a pbc, barney
<barney> To a *.pbc file ? Or is there a HLLCompiler stage 'compile to pbc and load it' ?
<particle[ventus]> to a *.pbc file
<barney> OK. That's what I have now. Besides that I compile to PIR, in order to make debugging easier.
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<dalek> r27298 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Eclectus]
<dalek> : Fix dependency of driver_nqp.pbc
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27298
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* tetragon grumbles at the relative instability of OS X 10.5 on her iBook
<Infinoid> relative to?
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<tetragon> 10.4
<tetragon> I went from no crashes to at least two panics in the past month
<Infinoid> hmm
<Infinoid> hope they fix that soon
<Infinoid> airport &
<purl> That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
<tetragon> Actually, it was two in the past week
<Tene> ouch
<Tene> airport name for SFO
<purl> KSFO is SAN FRANCISCO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, SAN FRANCISCO, California USA 
<tetragon> And in both cases, I'm busy recovering data from vim recovery files
<tetragon> airport name for YTZ
<purl> CYTZ is TORONTO/CITY CENTRE AIRPORT, TORONTO, Ontario Canada 
<Tene> qwhois tetragon 
<tetragon> Bah, that one is known as "Toronto Island Airport" (its old name).
<Tene> airport name for SLC
<purl> KSLC is SALT LAKE CITY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, SALT LAKE CITY, Utah USA 
<Limbic_Region> airport name for DIA
<purl> I can't find an airport for KDIA.
<Limbic_Region> really - it is a small airport in south america
<Limbic_Region> airport name for DEN
<purl> KDEN is DENVER INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, DENVER, Colorado USA 
<tetragon> airport name for YKZ
<purl> CYKZ is BUTTONVILLE AIRFIELD, TORONTO, Ontario Canada 
<tetragon> airport name for YOO
<purl> CYOO is OSHAWA AIRPORT, OSHAWA, Ontario Canada 
<tetragon> airport name for CNU8
<purl> I can't find an airport for CNU8.
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<dalek> r27299 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Test of result() needs to be adjusted for change in config/auto/pcre.pm in
<dalek> : r27292.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27299
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<tetragon> My 10.5 build with '-undefined dynamic_lookup' removed but '-fvisibility=hidden' left intact dies off when building the GLUT callbacks (and I did add the '-lparrot' I needed on the no '-fvisibility=hidden' run)
<tetragon> _do_panic is undefined
<tetragon> libparrot.dylib is not exporting it (defined internally, though)
<japhb> tetragon: I'm not sure what the official way of doing a parrot-friendly panic is.  The intent is that panics from libglutcb.so occur when it detects something wrong with Parrot, like the interp that registered a callback has disappeared or something.
<japhb> There actually used to be more failure detection code that I cargo culted from the NCI internals, but that stuff was always broken because it needed access to private data structures,
<japhb> so I just ripped most of it out before submitting the patch.
<japhb> Something similar should be created (preferably as an exported API) in the future.
<dalek> r27300 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Correct spelling error:  Ryby -> Ruby.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27300
<tetragon> For testing purposes I added PARROT_API to do_panic in exceptions.c.  With that in place, the build and link completes, finding all symbols.
<tetragon> And yes, the triangle still spins
<japhb> and really, isn't that the most important thing?
<kid51> When will I be able to run the spinning triangle as my wallpaper?
<tetragon> I consider building more important than spinning.  It can't spin until it builds
<japhb> kid51: When I get enough time to wrap the GLUT GameMode extensions.
<kid51> Hey, it's spinning for me on both OSX 10.4 and Ubuntu!
<japhb> kid51: excellent
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<tetragon> And as expected, removing '-undefined dynamic_lookup' from the compiler flags stopped the (unpatched) readline test from spitting out "strange" errors when faced with editline
<dalek> r27301 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Conform to no trailing whitespace coding standard.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27301
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<JordanG> Hey all, I was wondering if the PIR Language Reference Manual actually exists or if its completely broken
<cotto_home> it doesn't appear to exist apart from what's on the wiki
<cotto_home> if you want to learn it, http://www.parrotcode.org/docs/art/pp001-intro.html is a good starting place
<cotto_home> pir?
<purl> well, pir is a bofh at tufts or http://www.pir.net or Passive Infra Red or Parrot Intermediate Language (and almost an acronym) or the Price is Right.
<cotto_home> purl, pir is also http://www.parrotcode.org/docs/art/pp001-intro.html
<purl> okay, cotto_home.
<JordanG> cotto_home: great, thanks!
<cotto_home> JordanG, why do you want to learn it?
<cotto_home> (just out of curiosity)
<JordanG> cotto_home: thinking about having a toy langauge i'm working on target parrot
<cotto_home> it'll be an interesting exercise
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<japhb> JordanG: You might want to start with PCT ... much gentler than implementing in raw PIR.
<JordanG> cotto_home: thats why I'm doing it ;) I started in python but trying to generate python bytecode is a bit of a pain.
<JordanG> japhb: PCT?
<purl> it has been said that PCT is a good solution, but heavyweight or the Parrot Compiler Toolkit
<JordanG> ah
<JordanG> I heard of the compiler toolkit, I wanted to write everything from scratch, just as a learning exercise
<JordanG> I'll take a closer look at it though
<JordanG> writing parsers and such is just a BIT of a pain.
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<japhb> JordanG: I look at it as stages, working your way down -- language to implement -> PCT -> PIR -> PASM -> JIT code.  You don't want to start by trying to do the JIT yourself.  Similarly, trying to do everything in PIR, though nicer than writing C code, can still be a lot of work.  So why not make use of the work pmichaud et al have already done?  That way you get introduced to the "Parrot way of doing things", get the easy stuff out of the 
<japhb> way, and then you can later replace any part of that with raw PIR if you so desire.
<japhb> WTH?
<purl> WTH is, like, WhatTheHack and happens 28th july 2005 in .nl
<japhb> JordanG: I look at it as stages, working your way down -- language to implement -> PCT -> PIR -> PASM -> JIT code.  You don't want to start by trying to do the JIT yourself.  Similarly, trying to do everything in PIR, though nicer than writing C code, can still be a lot of work.  So why not make use of the work pmichaud et al have already done?  That way you get introduced to the "Parrot way of doing things", get the easy stuff out of the 
<japhb> way, and then you can later replace any part of that with raw PIR if you so desire.
<japhb> That seemed to work a little better.
<JordanG> japhb: It is a very good argument.
<japhb> Anyway, my point was that in my experience, there is an amazing amount of stuff to learn about Parrot.  Trying to implement a new language using the low level tools is going to make the learning curve into a cliff.  ;-)
<JordanG> japhb: sometimes climbing cliffs is fun ;) but your right, if there are decent tools out there its silly to reinvent the wheel
<JordanG> japhb: do you know where any good documentation exists for it? Google results are a little sparse
<japhb> At least, it's silly if you don't take the time to look over an existing wheel or two first.
<japhb> Yes, there is a very good tutorial for it.
<japhb> looking for URL
<japhb> Start here: http://www.parrotblog.org/2008/03/targeting-parrot-vm.html
<JordanG> japhb: just found the one on parrotblog
<JordanG> heh, yeah. Thanks ;)
<japhb> The code is all checked into languages/squaak, so that you don't have to retype it yourself if you don't feel like it.
<japhb> Personally, I find retyping tutorial code can be good for cementing the concepts.
<JordanG> i tend to agree
<japhb> There have been a couple minor improvements to PCT in response to the tutorial author finding some grotty bits; I'm not sure if the tutorial articles were updated to reflect those improvements or not.
<japhb> (Basically, the tutorial has a couple small workarounds that aren't needed anymore.)
<JordanG> I'm sure i'll muddle through. Or come back in here and annoy you guys ;)
<japhb> Always a pleasure to get someone new working on Parrot!
<JordanG> japhb: so are you a parrot dev or something?
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<japhb> I'm writing the OpenGL bindings for Parrot
<JordanG> nice
<japhb> :-)
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<JordanG> japhb: do you know if the Perl6 and Parrot O'Reilly book is any good?
<JordanG> i'm browsing the google books preview now, maybe I'll pick it up
<japhb> JordanG: I've heard it was good, but the dead tree version is considerably out of date.
<JordanG> japhb: yeah, i was kinda suprised they even had one
<japhb> However, O'Reilly released the rights on the Parrot portions to the parrot devs, so those chapters of the book are checked into the tree in docs/book/
<JordanG> ooh, nice
<japhb> I dunno if they have been updated fully yet.  I've mostly been basing my work on docs/pdds/, where the design docs live.
<JordanG> man, somebody needs to update the website and make it more obvious where all this stuff lives. I've been clicking around for like half an hour and didn't find any of this stuff
<JordanG> i was mostly looking at the examples sections, though
<JordanG> well, thanks for the help with everything, I'm sure i'll have more questions ;) Its getting lateish here and i'm exhausted, so I'm gonna head out
<japhb> g'night
<JordanG> Oh, one more question, is there like a parrot beginners mailing list i could read to learn from other newbies issues?
<JordanG> i attempted to google for such a thing, but mostly got results about birds.
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<particle[ventus]> JordanG: parrot-porters@perl.org is the only parrot mailing list. we happily take newbie questions.
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