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<dalek> r27392 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Lua] PGE
<dalek> : - changes the non-capturing subrule syntax from <?foo> to <.foo>
<dalek> : - uses the <foo: "bar"> syntax
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27392
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<pmichaud> cotto_home: (RT#52976)   if the issue no longer exists or can't be reproduced in the latest version, feel free to close the ticket.
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<Coke> 14+683
<purl> 697
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<particle> msg notfound you forgot the attachment to #53850
<purl> Message for notfound stored.
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<NotFound> Hello.
<Coke> goodbye!
* purl breaks out into "So Long, Farewall" from "The Sound of Music"
* Coke breaks purl's trachea.
* particle kicks purl in the tail
* Coke fight clubs. "I want you to hit me. As hard as you can."
<NotFound> How can I read purl messages?
<Coke> purl, messages?
<purl> To access purl's messages, msg me with the word "messages".
<NotFound> 'me' literally?
<particle>  /msg purl messages
<NotFound> Ah, I was trying /msg msg
<particle> no problem, newbie ;)
<NotFound> Thanks.
<NotFound> particle: attached now, thanks.
<NotFound> particle: Have you seen #53890 ?
* particle sighs because he can't unbreak plumhead quickly :(
<particle> NotFound: lemme look
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<particle> the patch looks good at first glance
<particle> lemme take a look at hash.c and make sure nothing's funny, and i'll apply
<NotFound> I wonder why only the key is nulled, and not the value.
<masak> Jonathan: `make` still doesn't build, just as yesterday. did the problem really go away, or did I misunderstand something?
<Coke> masak: perl6 or parrot?
<masak> Coke: perl6
<masak> on Mac OS X
<moritz> (whoever fixed make -j)++
<Coke> are you dong "make perl6" in the root, or cd'ing to languages/perl6 && make?
<masak> the latter
<purl> well, the latter is better
<masak> purl: I guess you'd know
<purl> masak: what?
<masak> nvm
<Coke> masak: works here, osx/intel
<Coke> this with a straight "perl Configure.pl" in parrot.
<Coke> do you have a ticket open or can you nopaste the error you're getting?
<Coke> http://paste2.org/p/26174 ?
<Coke> what version of osx/processer/compiler/configure flags ?
<masak> Coke: yes, that nopaste
<masak> Coke: OS X 10.4.11
<masak> I can nopaste the configure flags
<pmichaud> "unable to parse regex" makes it sound as though a PGE library needs rebuilding
<pmichaud> (given all of the PGE changes made yesterday)
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<Coke> when you re-upped, did you rebuild parrot?
<Coke> a simple make *should* work, of course, but you might have to reconfigure or even realclean depending on bugs.
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<Tene> Heh.  "depending on bugs" is an entertaining statement.
<Coke> ... do I amuse you?
<Coke> </goodfellas>
<NotFound> "Depending on pugs" may be even better.
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<masak> I ran `make realclean`
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<masak> it works now
<Tene> masak: hopefully you ran 'make' after, yes?  I'd hope parrot works better compiled.
<pmichaud> perhaps there's a build dependency missing somewhere.  I regularly do 'make realclean' so I don't see those very often.
<masak> yes, I ran make after
<masak> trial-and-error made me realise that I needed to do that
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<dalek> r27393 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Lua]
<dalek> : - skeleton of a bytecode translator
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27393
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<paco> Hi: parrot: 64-bit XCOFF executable or object module not stripped <-> aix - gcc , parrot compiles without problems, but I have some problems making /pmc2c.pl --c subproxy.pmc, my Storable.pm is old ..
<moritz> should I submit patches to rakudo as tickets, or should I just send them perl6-compiler?
<paco> Now Im thinking in installing native compiler ..
<particle> moritz: submit to rakudobug
<particle> rakudobug?
<purl> i think rakudobug is mailto:rakudobug@perl.org
<particle> paco: can you update Storable?
<particle> paco: and i wonder what the native compiler would do with parrot there.
<paco> particle : I tried, but Storable is reclaiming aix compiler, with gcc I have errors ..
<NotFound> particle: Have you seen chromatic's comment to my patch?
<particle> when you find out, sending a patch for PLATFORMS would be wonderful
<particle> NotFound: yes, i've just read it
<particle> NotFound: do you think you can hunt that down, or are you at a loss?
<particle> the hash code is more than a little bit nasty
<moritz> particle: too late, I was too impatient :/
<NotFound> I think that his suggestion implies modifying the documented semantic of oredered hash :?
<particle> moritz: np
<particle> NotFound: yes, that's correct
<paco> particle: with the native copiler I can update Storable ..
<particle> fact is, it's behavior isn't "officially" documented, it's just commented upon in the source
<NotFound> particle: doing that does not risk to break a lot of things?
<particle> paco: great. see how that goes
<particle> NotFound: it's possible, but lemme see...
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<NotFound> My current machines are not so fast to test any change with all languages.
<particle> OrderedHash isn't used in many languages, possibly only m4
<particle> NotFound: do you have ack?
<NotFound> Ah, looks more reasonable, then.
<NotFound> ack?
<purl> ack is probably at http://search.cpan.org/dist/ack/ or at http://petdance.com/ack/ or awesome
<particle> ack is also a grep-like tool for working-copies
<purl> okay, particle.
<particle> sudo cpan App::Ack
<particle> then, from a realclean'd working copy, you can do a search like "ack -al OrderedHash"
<particle> that will list all the filenames of files containing "OrderedHash"
<NotFound> Interesting, using grep in the tree is a shame.
<particle> grep-- ack++
<NotFound> Installing.
<purl> installing is, like, one thing, using it is another. or in the 'famous last words' category
<paco> installing :)
<particle> (more ack converts)++
<Eevee> oh I love ack++
<particle> nice patch for that long sub, moritz++
<NotFound> Failed test.
<particle> force install
<purl> force install is a bit primitive, and 5.8.4 and 5.8.7 may have different files
<moritz> thanks particle ;)
<moritz> required nearly no intelligence
<particle> the test in the current version is busted if you're root
<particle> the current development release has that test fixed
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<NotFound> particle: your fault, then ;)
<particle> yeah, i forgot. i use svn head
<particle> svn co https://ack.googlecode.com/svn/trunk ack
<NotFound> For tell me sudo, i mean.
<particle> yeah, indeed.
<particle> the dev release has been on cpan for some time, i should poke andy to make it non-dev
<NotFound> Looks like perl6 uses it.
<NotFound> And pugs, also.
<particle> pugs is unmaintained
<particle> you're not searching a 'realclean'ed repo i suspect
<moritz> and even more so the parrot backend
<particle> yeah, the parrot backend is bitrotten
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<NotFound> Several libraries, also. HTTP SDL Pg
<particle> yes, those need to be tested
<NotFound> Testing a first attempt.
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<Jonathan> moritz++ # cleaning up my mess :-)
<NotFound> Good, now two orderedhash tests segfaults.
<moritz> did anybody apply the patch?
<Jonathan> moritz: I'm currently packing my appartment up into boxes, so I'm kinda tied up, but it looks good to me; if nobody beats me to it, I'll certainly apply it when I get chance.
<moritz> Jonathan: ok
<particle> moritz et al: i've looked at a few good patches recently, but haven't the time to apply them atm
<NotFound> Can we make a lottery for precedence?
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* moritz tries to implement my $var1, $var2; in rakudo
<NotFound> particle: looks like chromatic has taken a different approach.
<particle> yeah. i'm not sure changing the semantics of OrderedHash should prevent us from fixing it the other way
<particle> but, it probably shouldn't be our first solution, unless it makes those semantics better match *Array and Hash PMCs.
<particle> so, does it?
<Eevee> moritz: no parens required now?
<moritz> Eevee: where?
<Eevee> my with multiple variables
<NotFound> particle: Don't know, lack experience.
<moritz> Eevee: no. Generally not required any more for lists
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<Eevee> nice
<moritz> Eevee: just as you can say 'my @a = 1, 3, 4;' in Perl 6 (and it means the right thing)
<Eevee> (wart removal)++
<particle> NotFound: it's easy to test with a little pir
<particle> .sub 'test' :main
<particle> $P0 = new "Hash"
<particle> $P0['a'] = 1
<particle> delete $P0['a']
<NotFound> If you know what you want to test. I don't know what are the intended semantics.
<particle> what am i testing there... that there's no key of PMCNULL?
<particle> i expect in a Hash, there isn't.
<particle> i'm a bit distracted now, looking for an attorney
<Andy> particle: There's one bug I wanna fix before I push out 1.84
<NotFound> Testing chromatic's patch.
<particle> andy: anything i can help with?
<paco> I have a question, in a 64 bit platform, the default build must be 64 and passing --m32 we make a 32bits parrot ?
<particle> paco: supposedly, yes
<paco> ok
<particle> however, we should probably have an m=64 flag for completeness
<paco> yes, I think so 
<NotFound> An m=8 for my Z80 machines will be nice ;)
<particle> urk.
<paco> NotFound: hahaha
<NotFound> chromatic's patch executes fine ./parrot --runcore=gcdebug t/pmc/orderedhash_9.pasm
<particle> excellent.
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<pmichaud> YAPC::NA housing registration now available (http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008/index.html)
<particle> can you refill the dining card?
<moritz> in future I should first test the things that I want to extend :/
<pmichaud> I dunno.  I just went with $40 for now and I can use cash for the rest.
<particle> yeah, i went with $20 for no good reason
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* Tene takes note.
<Tene> yapcna hackathon before and after?
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<particle> parrot hackathon before
<particle> yapc hackathon after
<Tene> hm
<Tene> will there be parrot hacking at after?
<particle> wherever two or more of us are gathered...
<Tene> will there be two or more of us there after?
<particle> dunno. i'm leaving wed afternoon to go to PA via buffalo
<allison> I'm leaving thursday morning
<pmichaud> rumor has it that there will be some parrot hacking after, yes.
<jjore> I recall you probably don't actually want any of the food available with the dining card.
<Tene> pmichaud: know who will be there after?
<particle> jjore: there isn't much else around there to eat
<allison> IIRC you could also purchase food with cash
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<jjore> Yes, that's also true. There was a late-night walkup place a few blocks away under the L which sold me a porkchop sandwich with mustard.
<jjore> They didn't do much of anything else and it wasn't awesome but it was ok and kind of interesting to get a porkchop on a bun as a fast food item.
<jjore> NW corner btw.
<particle> yay! my rebar has arrived.
<allison> whoops! My YAPC room payment confirmation page says "Conference: Your $1 order #$2" (spot the perl error!)
<particle> yep, i noticed that.
<particle> if you continue, things seem to work out okay.
<NotFound> says or prints?
<particle> it appears in the html
<NotFound> I mean, the \n
<particle> huh??
<NotFound> say or print .. "\n"
<moritz> what's your question?
<NotFound> A bad joke.
<purl> somebody said a bad joke was why don't people eat clowns.......because they taste funny. or What's brown and sticky?  A Stick! or what do you do with a dog that has no legs? take him for a drag. or what is brown and sounds like a bell? Dung.
<NotFound> At least purl understand me.
<allison> NotFound: I would assume prints, given the age of the donation system (predates say)
* particle considers adding an opp to mk_language_shell.pl
<particle> hrmm. instead, i'll nap, and maybe do it afterwards.
<NotFound> allison: surely they wait to perl6 to update it.
<Tene> so nobody knows of any parroters staying after for hackathon?
<particle> check with coke, jhorwitz, chromatic, etc
<allison> NotFound: well, it's in 5.10, I just doubt the donation system is running on 5.10
<Tene> you mean with people not here right this minute?  you mean plan for the future and follow through?
<Tene> Sounds dangerous.
<moritz> there isn't really much at all which is in 5.10 (only)
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<NotFound> So they wait for perl6 before updating the program.
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<allison> NotFound: ah, an optimist! :) I'm sure the program will be updated at some point...
<NotFound> allison: if someone understand my bad jokes in bad english, all is possible.
<allison> :)
<wknight8111> What's the status with docs/book? I mean, it's obviously out of date, but is it intended to be updated?
<moritz> wknight8111: it would be great if somebody updated it. That's why it was made open source.
<wknight8111> Good. I'm going to go through it like a hurricane :)
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<NotFound> There in an inconsistence in class.pmc:add_attribute: the =item says: "Creates a new class if the current class has been instantiated." but in the code:/* If we've been instantiated already, not allowed. */ 
<allison> the code is correct
<NotFound> Always ;)
<allison> maybe not always, but in this case it is. The text reflects an earlier design that we abandoned.
<NotFound> The comment reflects what the next line does, yes.
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<parrot-poke> documentation is the best mentation
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<Hinrik> hi
<Hinrik> I was "Perl 6 and Parrot Essentials" and wondering, why would you choose to write pure PASM instead of PIR?
<Hinrik> +reading
<Tene> Hinrik: you wouldn't, really.
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<wknight8111> i need to buy that book
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<particl2> pasm is (intended to be--and will be soon enough) a human-readable bytecode translation
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<particl2> so, although it's perfectly capable as a language for writing compilers, i find it's too low-level and prefer pir
<wknight8111> well if we're talking preferences, I would rather write my compilers in Perl 6
* wknight8111 is a dreamer
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<jjuran> parrot-poke: What about fermentation?
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<Sartak> y
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<Limbic_Region> chromatic - actually, the dollar is recently gaining on the Filipino Peso
<Limbic_Region> where is the cow that you own?  I might have seen it ;-)
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<cotto_home> seen barney
<purl> barney was last seen on #parrot 4 days and 15 hours ago, saying: Yes, it was all in the new file driver_nqp.pir  [May  4 06:25:28 2008]
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<Coke> yapc housing open, btw.
<cotto_home> thanks.
<cotto_home> now I just need to remember what username/password I used...
<Coke> doing an svn merge, getting "skipped missing target: <foo>", and "skipped <foo>" . wozzat?
<Coke> doh. means that I'm merging from the wrong revisions.
<cotto_home> msv?
<purl> i guess msv is old with a floor level restroom, SSV is newer with 2 rooms sharing a restroom between them
<cotto_home> that's almost helpful
<Coke> seen chromatic?
<purl> chromatic was last seen on #parrot 2 days and 18 minutes ago, saying: You're welcome.  [May  6 22:27:40 2008]
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