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<Coke> gooood morrrrrrrning, parrrrrrrrotnam!
<masak> :)
<Zaba> moin
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<cognominal> au revoir O'Reilly    http://www.oreilly.fr/  :(
<cognominal> they are closing shop in France
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<wknight8111> How does committing work? Do I need permission or a review before I commit something?
<Infinoid> wknight8111++ # welcome aboard
<wknight8111> thanks!
<Infinoid> basically they just add a line for you to a .htaccess file
<Infinoid> you checkout as normal, but enter a username/password upon commit (svn caches this)
<wknight8111> well, i know how it "works", I'm just asking if I need permission before I start submitting things
<Infinoid> oh
<wknight8111> Like I have a patch that I just submitted, can I just apply it myself or do I need approval?
<Infinoid> sounds like they just gave it to you :)
<Infinoid> I'd go ahead and commit... if you break something, someone will let you know (and in a worst case scenario, reverting is easy)
<Coke> Let me give you "the talk".
<Coke> 1) you break it, you fix it.
<Coke> 2) don't break it.
<Coke> 3) if it's something outside your comfort zone, or inside someone else's, post a patch first in RT.
<Coke> 4) branches are cheap.
<Coke> 5) tickets are cheap.
<Coke> 6) in general, try to keep trunk passing at all times.
<Coke> 3.1) Doubly true for architecture/design issues.
<Coke> someone should wiki that.
<Coke> ... wknight8111, that can be your first job. =-)
<wknight8111> ok
<wknight8111> I just tried a commit, and I got a 403 Forbidden error
<wknight8111> (and that "the talk" was much less uncomfortable then the one I got from my father)
<Coke> you may need to auth.
<wknight8111> what does that mean? I put in my svn.perl username and password
<Coke> ok. and you're sure it was your svn username and password, and not your rt nick and rt password? =-)
<wknight8111> I copy+pasted them from the svn.perl.org/accounts page
<wknight8111> and I'm rarely "sure" about anything :)
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<particle> please please coke and wknight8111: read through docs/project/metacommitter_guide.pod
<particle> it should clear this problem up
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<Coke> Ah, I never did go back and re-read it after andrew screwed up his part. =-)
<wknight8111> you always have to go back and re-read thigns when I screw up! When I screw up, I do it big :)
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<Coke> particle: no, i did my three steps. I logged in, I added him to the list. I sent the mail.
<Coke> Am I missing something?
<particle> yes, but did he do his?
<particle> he's having problems with auth, not you
<wknight8111> yes, i created a bitchard account, i logged on to RT with the account, and I set up the account at svn.perl.org
<wknight8111> s/bitchard/bitcard/ ...
<Coke> what svn login did you use?
<wknight8111> it has my username listed as "Whiteknight", but I tried my email address and my name too,
<Coke> your username is NOT whiteknight. =-)
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<Coke> the id is the same as your rt login, which is the email addy.
<wknight8111> tried that too
<Coke> with the suberversion password?
<wknight8111> just tried it again, doesnt work with any password
<Coke> You're harshing my buzz. :P
<wknight8111> man, I already need a vacation from all this!
<Coke> let me double check that you were properly added to the list. =-)
<Coke> the ID I have listed is: 'wknight8111@gmail.com'
<particle> is rt login working?
<wknight8111> yes, I'm in RT fine. I just took a ticket
<particle> ok.
<particle> if you can't figure out the subversion part, contact svn-admin@perl.org to get it fixed up
<particle> however, coke can try removing and re-adding you or something
<Coke> who is w.briscoe ?
<Coke> (he just showed up as a committer when I refresshed.
<particle> no idea
<Coke> removing him...
<Coke> WHAT THE HOLY !(@#*$&#@
<Coke> "delete this user." "ok, another random user shows up."
<Coke> maurice bonal just showed up.
<particle> have we been hacked?
<Coke> deleting...
<particle> ask and robrt may still be asleep
<Coke> ok. the list is stable now.
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<NotFound> Hello.
<particle> that's the trouble with sysadmins in the same time zone
<Coke> try again.
<NotFound> Hello.
<Coke> (i deleted you. then deleted the first random guy that showed up in your place. then the second. then readded you)
<Coke> perhaps we can find a hacker in Mumbai who's willing to be a perl.org sysadmin.
<Coke> andrewwwwwwwwwwwww.
<wknight8111> ?
<Coke> "try again"
<particle> hi, NotFound, that second one sunk in :)
<Coke> NotFound: hio. sorry. focus problem here.
<Coke> ... holy crap, my fasting blood sugar dropped 90 points in 4 days.
<NotFound> Well, I tried ;)
<wknight8111> nope, nothing. 
<purl> nope, nothing is probably runned
<masak> Coke: how do you measure that?
<wknight8111> with a blood-sugar ruler
<Coke> aka a glucometer.
* masak has been thinking of getting a glucometer
<Coke> masak: https://www.onetouchgold.com/simplestart/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=one%20touch&utm_campaign=tier3&utm_content=OneTouch%20Meters%20-%20General
<shorten> Coke's url is at http://xrl.us/bkcku
<particle> GluCo sounds like a good name for a perl shop
<NotFound> My girlfriend has one that looks like a tamagotchi.
<Coke> the meters are typically free; they get you on the strips (about a buck a pop if not on insurance.)
<Coke> coke?
<purl> you are mailto:will@coleda.com or just a figurehead.
<Coke> coke is also http://coke-floats.blogspot.com/
<purl> okay, Coke.
<masak> Coke: do you think a non-USA resident like me will get one if I fill in their form?
<NotFound> So you are trying to be Coke 0.0%
<NotFound> ?
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<wknight8111> Okay, i sent an email to svn-admin@perl.org. I'll see what they have to say about it
<wknight8111> ...apparently no I didn't. That email address doesn't appear to be valid
<wknight8111> "svn@perl.org"
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<Coke> NotFound: Coke Zero.
<purl> hmmm... coke zero is not bad.
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<NotFound> DietCoke: ah, yes, 0.0% is beer.
<particle> coke: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050801994.html
<shorten> particle's url is at http://xrl.us/bkcm9
<DietCoke> particle: one of many long term side effects.
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<particle> anybody seen barney lately?
<pmichaud> haven't seen barney
<spinclad> seen barney?
<purl> barney was last seen on #parrot 5 days and 2 hours ago, saying: Yes, it was all in the new file driver_nqp.pir  [May  4 06:25:28 2008]
<pmichaud> purl is Big Brother
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<Tene> Looks like I'll be getting to the airport four hours early today.
<davidfetter> hope they've got intarnets
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<Tene> if they have intarnets then I can play on IRC instead of getting anything done.
* Infinoid buys Tene a 10-pack of intarnets
* davidfetter pays USD60/month so he can have intarnets wherever he goes...that sprint evdo is :P
* Infinoid has AT&T edge, but only uses it a couple times a month
* particle too, uses it at least weekly
<Zaba> AT&T edge?
<particle> EDGE is what they call their internet service
<particle> for mobile
* davidfetter <3 evdo, but it only works in .us
<Zaba> aha
<Infinoid> EVDO is for CDMA as EDGE is for GSM
<Tene> any requests on parrot or rakudo-related tasks for me to work on at the airport?
<davidfetter> a safe container ;)
<Tene> ?
<particle> tene: if you have rakudo's t/spec checked out, you could mark the tests to avoid parsefails
* davidfetter was joking
<davidfetter> are you familiar with Safe.pm?
<Tene> Yes.
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<davidfetter> something similar for parrot would be very, very nice
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<NotFound> RT#45967 lacks a note about the file name objects.c changed to oo.c
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<pmichaud> ENODALEK
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<Infinoid> diakopter:
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<dalek> r27395 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * In grammar.pg, convert $<foo>=<bar> to <foo=bar>
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27395
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<particle> feh, i forgot to commit that patch!
<pmichaud> particle++  # ghost karma
<particle> i've just started working on adding opp support to mk_language_shell.pl
<pmichaud> that was one of the things on my todo list... but I'll be happy to let you do that one
<pmichaud> I'm working on getting listop expressions to work
<particle> \o/
<particle> that will be a huge deal.
<pmichaud> well, parsing first
<pmichaud> actually getting list assignment to work will probably involve changes to pct
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<DietCoke> NotFound: updated.
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<NotFound> DietCoke: what?
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<NotFound> DietCoke: ah, yes.
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<particle> pmichaud: in mk language shell, you have in @lclang@.pir, =item main(args :slurpy) :main
<particle> but the cod ereads .sub 'main' :main ; .param pmc args
<particle> would you prefer code that had :slurpy, then $P0.'command_line'(args :flat)
<particle> or modify the pod?
<pmichaud> well, modifying the code would make it wrong
<particle> i think the pod should be modified
<particle> yeah.
<pmichaud> so just get rid of the :slurpy in the pod
<particle> i just needed to think out loud to get it right. thanks.
<particle> after i finish this, i think i'll regenerate abc with the shell
<pmichaud> oh, that's a good idea.  I was going to just move abc's files around, but regenerating from shell might be better
<pmichaud> that's what I ultimately did with pynie
<pmichaud> (regenerate from shell)
<particle> cool.
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<particle> i'm adding token term { <integer> }
<particle> i'll leave float etc to the reader
<DietCoke> particle: how do you get the current userid on windows perl? 
<particle> same way you get it on any perl
<DietCoke> $< is returning 0 for this guy.
<particle> real or effective user id?
<DietCoke> $> is also returning 0.
<purl> okay, DietCoke.
<particle> you want the username?
<DietCoke> oh. he's an idiot.
<DietCoke> and now I am too.
<NotFound> ¿runas Administrator?
<DietCoke> (getlogin(), not $<)
<particle> indeed.
<DietCoke>  -> (14:59) From Sue D. Nymme, to perl:
<DietCoke>  - "Thanks, Jerry Gay!"
* DietCoke antisocially books a single at yapc!
<NotFound> In docs/book/ch08_reference.pod the entry for getattribute has in See also "classoffset", but there is no classoffset entry.
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<pmichaud> classoffset is gone.
<pmichaud> getattribute now only takes a string name
* pmichaud tries again on listop parsing, this time working around RT#53296.
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<NotFound> setattribute wants a class argument, and getattribute an object, is this right?
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<pmichaud> no
<pmichaud> given an object in $P0
<pmichaud> setattribute $P0, 'foo', $P1     # set attribute 'foo' in $P0 to $P1
<pmichaud> getattribute $P1, $P0, 'foo'   # get attribute 'foo' in $P0 into $P1
<pmichaud> (latter can be phrased as "set $P1 to attribute 'foo' of $P0)
<NotFound> Then addattribute is a different family?
<pmichaud> addattribute adds an attribute to a class
<pmichaud> addattribute class, 'foo'    # add 'foo' as an attribute for new instances of class
<NotFound> And what is the way to retrieve it?
<pmichaud> addattribute creates a "slot" for 'foo'
<pmichaud> getattribute/setattribute change the value of that slot in instances of the class
<NotFound> I mean, check for presence.
<pmichaud> in a class or object?
<NotFound> class.
<pmichaud> I'm not sure.
<pmichaud> perhaps 'inspect'
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<pmichaud> pdd15 would have the answer, if any.
<NotFound> I think now I understand, thanks. The documents looked confusing about this points.
<pmichaud> yes, I've noticed that as well.
<NotFound> An 'attributes' function is described in pdd15
<pmichaud> ...method, perhaps?
<pmichaud> (just checking)
<NotFound> Yes, method
<pmichaud> (tnx)
<dalek> r27396 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Refactor EXPR handling slightly so that we can start
<dalek> :   to do some listop processing.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27396
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<dalek> r27397 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Update fatarrow parsing, so that foo(a=>1, b=>2) now parses
<dalek> :   and compiles properly.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27397
<particle> 'i=' ??
<pmichaud> it's the precedence level for listops
<pmichaud> i.e., the equivalent of STD.pm's   %list_assignment hash 
<particle> gotcha. icky, but i get it.
<pmichaud> (%list_assignment has :prec('i='))
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<pmichaud> when we're able to do something much closer to STD.pm's precedence parsing, we can switch.  
<pmichaud> this has the advantage of "works today".
<particle> sure. much better than what we had yesterday
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<pmichaud> (er, %item_assignment in each of the above.)
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<spinclad> 'class Foo ...' in nqp doesn't currently have a way to declare its parent?  i'm walking through the squaak exercises and seeing how close i can get to declaring the List class there in nqp...
<dalek> r27398 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [pct]:
<dalek> : * Remove spurious 'each' option from PCT::HLLCompiler.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27398
<pmichaud> fwiw, we no longer need the List class
<pmichaud> can use ResizablePMCArray directly.
<spinclad> (looks like it hardwires a 'Protoobject' parent)
<particl1> you can use 'add_parent' iirc
<spinclad> oh, goody.
<pmichaud> well, add_parent won't set the protoobject correctly
<spinclad> ResizablePMCArray has methods now, or one can add them?
<pmichaud> ResizablePMCArray has shift/pop/push/unshift
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<pmichaud> afaict, nqp doesn't have the ability to set parent classes yet
<pmichaud> (haven't needed it.)
<spinclad> nice.  next thing i'm looking at:  our @list doesn't vivify a ResizablePMCArray, so you still have to do the moral equiv of a BEGIN block to set it, else @list.unshift($x) leaves it undefined?
<Tene> mmm... cardinal...
<Infinoid> Cardinal Fang, fetch ... the comfy chair!
<Tene> airports++
<pmichaud> we could probably get "our @list" to vivify the ResizablePMCArray.
<spinclad> i understand one doesn't want to vivify on read, and nothing declares (or can declare yet) that shift/unshift/push/pop write it... ah, that would work.
<pmichaud> ideally we should probably have   our @list := ResizablePMCArray.new()
<pmichaud> but that depends on having a protoobject for ResizablePMCArray, which we don't.
<pmichaud> hrm.
<spinclad> our @list \\:= Resizable...
<spinclad> (only if not already there)
<pmichaud> I don't think there's a \\:= op.  :-)
<spinclad> true
<pmichaud> (assuming you meant //:= ...., I don't think that exists either :-)
<confound> =:/\:=
<spinclad> oop, yes, //
<pmichaud> but I don't think there's a problem with   our @list := ResizablePMCArray.new(), assuming it executes only once.
<spinclad> \/\/|-|/-\-|-?
<spinclad> ^ confound:
<pmichaud> (and assuming that ResizablePMCArray exists.)
<pmichaud> it might be reasonable for PCT to create protoobjects for some of Parrot's builtin classes.
<pmichaud> actually.......
* pmichaud checks something
<spinclad> that makes sense at a single defining place, but if every using place did that, they'd all toss each others hard saved content...
<dalek> r27399 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Removed '--combine' and '--each' arguments from Rakudo's command
<spinclad> (that: our @list := Resizable...)
<dalek> :   line processing, as they aren't useful for Perl 6.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27399
<pmichaud> ...every using place?
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<pmichaud> believe it or not, I think the following works:
<pmichaud> Protoobject.new_proto('ResizablePMCArray');
<pmichaud> our @list = ResizablePMCArray.new();
<pmichaud> if you put those two statements at the beginning of the class definition (i.e., right after "class Foo;"), then it'll happen once when the code is loaded.
<spinclad> (every using place): perhaps i'm confused; thinking one would have multiple 'our @list' declarations to access the same @list, but perhaps it's simply already in scope.
<pmichaud> just a sec
<nopaste> "pmichaud" at 76.183.97.54 pasted "example of creating @?BLOCK" (11 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/12920
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<pmichaud> it doesn't hurt to repeat "our @?BLOCK;" in the individual methods, but it isn't necessary.
<spinclad> agreed
<pmichaud> ....and!
<pmichaud> one can do:
<pmichaud> Protoobject.new_subclass('ResizablePMCArray', 'List');    # create 'List' as a subclass of 'ResizablePMCArray'
<pmichaud> but I think that simply using ResizablePMCArray directly makes more sense.
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<pmichaud> (if all of this Protoobject.* doesn't work, I'll make it work.)
<spinclad> (the existing class boilerplate seems to call Protomaker.new_subclass(Protoobject, $class) )
<pmichaud> oh, correct, what I wrote as Protoobject above should probably be Protomaker  :-(
<pmichaud> so...
<nopaste> "pmichaud" at 76.183.97.54 pasted "example of creating @?BLOCK" (11 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/12921
<pmichaud> eventually I'll get all of this protoobject stuff unified into a coherent whole.  (sooner rather than later)
<spinclad> would it make sense to allow 'class Foo is Bar' and plug that into the boilerplate?
<pmichaud> I've thought about it
<pmichaud> it's one of those "haven't needed it yet" items.  Beyond that, 'Bar' in "is Bar" likely refers to a protoobject and not a class or string.
<pmichaud> and in this specific instance (creating a list), having 'class Foo is Bar' actually complicates things more than the two-line example I gave.
<spinclad> okay, in the @?BLOCK case it's no longer needed, using ResizablePMCArray directly; i'm sure it will come up again, so grist then for protoobject/class rework.
<pmichaud> excellent -- I agree.
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<spinclad> last thing i ran across: i tried 'return <expr>', and get_scalar died on it (no action for return_statement yet).
<pmichaud> NQP doesn't support 'return' yet.
<dalek> r27400 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Update STATUS.
<pmichaud> if you really need a return value, then just put <expr> as the last statement in a block.
<dalek> : * Patch courtesy "Carl Mäsak" <cmasak at gmail.com>, RT#53826
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27400
<spinclad> ok, worksforme.
<spinclad> thanks
<pmichaud> (implementing 'return' is one of my higher-priority things, yes)
<spinclad> (i worked around it with a PIR q< .return ($P0) >, which is followed by another .return () in the generated code.)  but last-expression is easier still.
<pmichaud> are we no longer creating placeholder tickets for parrot releases?
<spinclad> is it in the release instructions?
<pmichaud> oh, I see.  particle called it "20 May 2008 Parrot Release"  instead of "Parrot x.y.z release"
<pmichaud> I found it (RT#52910)
<particl1> yep, because release numbers are not generally known a month in advance
<pmichaud> correct, I agree with the choice -- just wasn't what I was used to.
<pmichaud> searching for "parrot release" got me what I wanted :-)
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<spinclad> now i get: Method 'unshift' not found for invocant of class 'ResizablePMCArray'
<spinclad> but i see it there in src/pmc/resizablepmcarray.pmc
<spinclad> (do i have the right ResizablePMCArray?)
<pmichaud> there's also a test for it in t/pmc/resizablepmcarray.t
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<pmichaud> and it presumably works _there_, so....
<pmichaud> hrm.
* pmichaud tries a test program.
<pmichaud> I get the same.  Checking.
* particl1 wonders if this is some pmc proto funny business
<pmichaud> It could be, but I doubt it.
<pmichaud> okay, it's some protoobject funny business
<pmichaud> new_proto must be destroying the existing method table somehow.
<pmichaud> adding Protoobject as a parent class of ResizablePMCArray looks like a no-no.
<pmichaud> I guess that makes sense.
<particl1> what do you need, clone_proto or something?
<pmichaud> so... if the class is a ProxyPMC, I guess we need to create a new anonymous subclass for it.
<pmichaud> and add Protoobject as a parent of the subclass
<particl1> ah, proxy, that's the word i was looking for
<pmichaud> of course, then we have the issue that objects creating using   new 'ResizablePMCArray' aren't the same type as those created using ResizablePMCArray.new()
<pmichaud> s/creating/created/
<pmichaud> but perhaps that's not too big an issue.
<particl1> it's kinda sucky, though
<particl1> least surprise and all
<pmichaud> I don't know how to get around it within Parrot's current object model.
<particl1> but, then again, nqp is low-level and 'coder beware'
<pmichaud> well, when I work on unifying protoobject handling perhaps all of this will "work out".
<pmichaud> spinclad: in the meantime, I don't have a terrific answer.  "Method not found" was not something I expected.
<pmichaud> I guess I've never tried to run protomaker on a PMC type
<pmichaud> actually, perhaps try:
<pmichaud> Protomaker.new_subclass('ResizablePMCArray', 'List');
<pmichaud> our @?BLOCK = List.new();
<pmichaud> that might have the same effect, since 'List' will then be a subclass of 'ResizablePMCArray', and will get Protoobject as the parent.
<spinclad> will do
<spinclad> works
<spinclad> workarounds++
<particl1> i especially like when we work around calling conventions with :multi()
<particl1> pmichaud++ for those
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<andy753421> Hello, does anyone know if/where there's some up-to-date documentation on PASM?
<andy753421> specifically on working with subroutines
<pmichaud> not really.  Most people are using PIR these days anyway.
<pmichaud> you might look at pdd03, in the section "PIR SYNTAX EXAMPLES" at the end of the file
<dalek> r27401 | petdance++ | trunk:
<dalek> : add another warning for old-style prototypes
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27401
<Andy> DID YOU MISS ME?
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<spinclad> just dreadfully!
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<dalek> r27402 | petdance++ | trunk:
<dalek> : use STRNEQ instead of strcmp() as a boolean
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27402
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<Andy> So do cage tests normally fail?
<pmichaud> some do, depending on how they're invoked
<pmichaud> 'make test' doesn't run all tests, iirc
<pmichaud> so there are some tests (e.g., codingstd) that we have but that we don't yet include as part of 'make test'
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<Tene> Okay, I mostly know what I need to do to get placeholder vars to replace the signature instead of augmenting it.
<Tene> It's the sorting that might be a problem.
<Tene> I also need to check if I should be inserting the vars into the symtable as $^a or as just $a.
<Tene> Looks like probably the former.
<Tene> I'm mainly unsure how to do the sorting.  IIRC, rakudo doesn't have a 'sort' defined yet...
* Tene looks around.
<Tene> Okay, parrot has a Data::Sort.
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<dalek> r27403 | petdance++ | trunk:
<dalek> : helpful use of the PARROT_DOES_NOT_RETURN. Also, removed impossible condition of a function returning NULL
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27403
<Tene> Hm.  I should include a test.
<Tene> I need to figure out if there's a way to set svn metadata from git-svn.
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<dalek> r27404 | tene++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Variable assignment works in cardinal.
<dalek> : Swipe scope handling from rakudo for cardinal.
<dalek> : Minor syntax updates for cardinal.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=27404
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