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<dalek> r28163 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Make C<pop> and C<shift> into named unaries.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28163
<moritz> pmichaud: re try <statement>*, does this ever DWIM?
<moritz> oh no, it was {*}, not *
<pmichaud> moritz: it works for things like     try { ... };
* moritz tries to wake up entirely
<moritz> is type checking guarantueed to be at run time?
<moritz> I mean a clever compiler could try to do some type inference and prove at compile time that there well be a clash
<moritz> so shouldn't it be eval_lives_ok in the test case anyway?
<pmichaud> I don't know.  That might be a good followup to my original post.
<moritz> ok, I'll write something
<pmichaud> anyway, sleep time
<pmichaud> bbl
<bacek> moritz, I don't think, that even clever compiler should check content of string...
<bacek> good night, pmichaud 
<moritz> bacek: did you read the mail on p6c?
<bacek> moritz, which one?
<bacek> btw, #55438 :)
<moritz> t/spec/S02-builtin_data_types/type.t and 'try' statement
<bacek> in process
<bacek> yeah... There is a _LOT_ of such usage of try/grep/whatever...
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<bacek> I just thinks, that priority of 'infix:,' is too high
* bacek still thinks that this handled in overcomplicated EXPR rule...
<moritz> are there still statement likes like 'a(), b() while c()' in perl 6?
<bacek> moritz, no idea.
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<bacek> Probably EXPR/expect_term combo handles this, adverbial closure and much more...
<bacek> moritz, can you make me a favour? Test test.t/Test.pm from #55438?
<bacek> (most recent test.t from ticket :)
<moritz> don't you mean #55304? 
<bacek> moritz, no :)
<bacek> but there is a patch for 'eval()' in 55304. It required to apply before test.
<bacek> eval2.diff
<bacek> If test passed, try to comment out line 119 in Test.pm and rerun test... I've got very nasty error...
<moritz> ok, wait a sec
<moritz> don't you want to publish a git mirror that I can simply track?
<moritz> that would simplify all that patching stuff ;)
<bacek> moritz, hmm... It will take some time. But I can do it if you really want :)
<bacek> afk, coffee break :)
<moritz> that was more a "this patching is so cumbersome" than a real suggestion ;)
<dalek> r28164 | allison++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [cage] Update the MacPorts description to match other descriptions.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28164
* bacek broke coffee and switched to wine...
<moritz> bacek: dunno why, your test.diff didn't apply cleanly for me
<moritz> (or did I try to apply it twice? don't think so...)
<bacek> There is clean Test.pm attached :)
<bacek> s/clean/patched/
<moritz> your test.t fails for me with ok 16 - ... it eval_lives_ok
<moritz> set_pmc_keyed_str() not implemented in class 'Eval'
<moritz> current instr.: 'fake_proclaim' pc 1391 (EVAL_13:414)
<bacek> shit...
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<bacek> moritz, can you replace eval_lives_ok in Test.pm with nopasted one?
<moritz> nah
<moritz> that one is wrong
<moritz> either eval can propagate excpetions
<moritz> than it could happen that a call to eval_lives_ok doesn't call proclaim() at all
<moritz> or it can't
<moritz> then the try block is superflous
<bacek> no, its looks like stack corruption.
<bacek> so I just try to find exact place where it happens.
<moritz> now it runs the tests up to 16
<moritz> ok 16 - ... it eval_lives_ok
<moritz> # Looks like you planned 17 tests, but ran 16
<bacek> shit... It dies inside of parrot...
<bacek> can you comment out line 119 in Test.pm? It will die early.
<moritz> not ok 10 - ... it dies_ok
<moritz> with 119 commented out
<bacek> moritz, i expected it...
<bacek> moritz, i cought this bug!
<moritz> sorry, have to run... just write on, I'll backlog
<bacek> moritz, perl6: try { die }; say (defined $!) xor Bool::True
<bacek> rakudo outputs nothing...
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<moritz> re
<moritz> is xor tested somewhere? and does 'make fulltest' run those tests?
<moritz> if not, don't rely on it ;)
<bacek> moritz, it works for just Bool.
<bacek> check last my tests in #perl6...
<dalek> allison@perl.org | Articles of Incorporation:
<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?articles_of_incorporation
<shorten> dalek's url is at http://xrl.us/bkyfj
<bacek> can you try replace proclaim(defined...) with proclaim(0+defined...)
<bacek> ?
<bacek> afk,
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<dalek> allison@perl.org | Bylaws:
<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?bylaws
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<dalek> allison@perl.org | Bylaws:
<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?bylaws
<dalek> allison@perl.org | Bylaws:
<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?bylaws
<dalek> allison@perl.org | Bylaws:
<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?bylaws
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<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?bylaws
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<dalek> link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?bylaws
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<pmichaud> particle++ allison++ # parrot foundation documents
<bacek> pmichaud, goot today :)
<pmichaud> good morning, afternoon, or other localtime
* bacek thinks is 'good now' is good enough :)
<bacek> Hey! It's tomorrow already! :)
<bacek> 00:03
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<dalek> r28165 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : fix RT #55332
<dalek> : On Windows, unlink is not POSIX compliant :
<dalek> :   unlink on an opened file does nothing (now & after closing).
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28165
<pmichaud> what would I need to do to get languages/perl6/t/harness to honor the -v option?
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<dalek> r28166 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Lua]
<dalek> : - factorization in lua_loadfile 
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28166
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<dalek> r28167 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Lua]
<dalek> : - lua_loadfile : give a chunkname when stdin
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28167
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<moritz> pmichaud: re lazy and eager lists, 'List' is lazy, 'Seq' is eager
<pmichaud> I did think of that, but I tend to think of Seq as simply "completely evaluated".  At any rate, I'm not sure I want List to automatically morph to Seq
<moritz> what's the difference between eager and "completely evaluated"?
<moritz> is the latter "recursively eager"?
<pmichaud> I don't know that there is a difference, but I'm not yet ready to claim they're exactly the same.  They may be, but I haven't thought that far ahead yet :-)
<moritz> ok
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<dalek> r28168 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Lua]
<dalek> : - lua_load handles binary chunk via bytecode translation
<dalek> : (don't work, namespace problem)
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28168
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* kid51 has spent the day reinstally Mac OS X 10.4 on his old iBook G4.  Had to reinstall Xcode Tools, rebuild Perl 5 and Python 2.5, re-install Subversion.  All due to file corruption in Software Update.
* cizra has spent all the day installing Debian on his old G3 PowerMac.
<cizra> :-p
* pmichaud has spent all day working on various parts of rakudo.
<pmichaud> (mostly running spectests)
* moritz has spent nearly all day (5 hrs) playing table tennis
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<bacek> morning
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<moritz> morning is in about 9 hours ;)
<bacek> moritz, no... It's already 7:49...
<moritz> ok then
<moritz> morning
<moritz> ;)
<Infinoid> happy now :)
<Infinoid> and happy 1 moment from now too (accounting for net lag)
<kid51> tetragon:  I spent last Saturday at the Apple Genius Bar getting this Software Update problem diagnosed.  The 'Genius' said that there wouldn't be enough memory on my iBook G4 to install 10.5.  So I'll have to buy an Intel Mac to get 10.5.
<tetragon> kid51: And if you were to buy an Intel with 10.5, it would help complete the set of architectures and OS releases
<pmichaud> or someone could donate one to kid51.  :-)
* tetragon digs out a Powerbook with pre-OS X Mac OS
* jonathan spent the day at a BBQ and then watching the first two matches of Euro 2008.
<tetragon> And I don't think any of the OS X releases would run on that Powerbook (just on the ppc side of the m68k -> ppc switchover)
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<bacek> summon pmichaud to discuss #55446...
<nopaste> "pmichaud" at 76.183.97.54 pasted "Rakudo spectest regression history" (29 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13204
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<bacek> pmichaud, good progress!
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<pmichaud> bacek: yes, thanks to many contributors.
<bacek> pmichaud, you very welcome :) (It's all vany fault. He'd convenient me :)
<bacek> pmichaud, I need help with 55446...
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<bacek> something very strange happens with handling exceptions in parrot.
<dalek> r28169 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [pge]:
<dalek> : * Improvement to OPTable so that word tokens also look
<dalek> :   for word boundaries (e.g., so that 'if' doesn't match 'ifonly').
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28169
<dalek> r28170 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Add a preliminary implementation of Complex.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28170
<dalek> r28171 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Add 'test_summary.pl' script used to provide an alternate view
<dalek> :   of running spectest_regression (and generate the regression history).
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28171
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<kid51> tetragon:  I suspect we have *many* people who have Intel Macs with 10.5.  I just haven't identified them for the purpose of testing your patches (and those of others).
<kid51> One positive side effect of losing /usr/local:  I lost that botched attempt to build my own gcc that required me to specify 4 options to get Configure.pl to work.  For the first time ever, all I did to build was call 'perl Configure.pl'.  'make' and 'make coretest' all passed.
<bacek> how I can curry function in PIR?
* kid51 watches Belmont
<kid51> No Triple Crown this year; winner at 38-1 odds
<tetragon> kid51: Does Apple still ship Perl on 10.4 without hidden, nasty -arch flags?
<tetragon> My 10.4 box hasn't been updated in a while
<kid51> How would I determine that?  Since this was a reinstall from DVD, it meant that I got the same Perl 5.8.6 that came with this originally 4 years ago.
<tetragon> Take a look at the output of perl -V
<tetragon> ccflags is one of the values that on 10.5 has the -arch flags in it
<tetragon> (10.5 comes with 5.8.8)
<nopaste> "kid51" at 68.237.19.81 pasted "The Perl 5.8.6 that came with Mac OS X 10.4.6" (55 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13205
<tetragon> What I suspect is that Apple built Perl differently between 10.4 and 10.5
<bacek> summon pmichaud
<bacek> spell failed...
<purl> failed... looks funny
<kid51> Yes, I believe you demonstrated that a couple of months back.
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<tetragon> 10.5 is a full multiarch build, 10.4 had both an i386 and a ppc build done separately and glued together with lipo
<tetragon> And parrot's build system would need some alterations to handle the all at once multiarch
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<kid51> No -arch flags on this Apple build.
<tetragon> Still no -arch flags
<kid51> I think 10.4.6 was still in the ppc-only days.
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<tetragon> My Intel's perl doesn't have -arch flags, and that box's initial OS X was either 10.4.6 or 10.4.7
<pmichaud> pong
<bacek> pmichaud, hi again. Is it possible to curry sub in PIR?
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<pmichaud> bacek: it will be, yes.  We're not doing it yet.
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<bacek> pmichaud, ok...
<bacek> so it's not I'm so stupid. It's just not yet implemented :)
<pmichaud> right.
<bacek> pmichaud, second question: #55446
<bacek> something wrong with exception/variables handling.
<pmichaud> right, we haven't corrected $_, $/, and $! yet.
<pmichaud> but what did you expect instead of Undef ?
<bacek> Bool...
<pmichaud> xor doesn't return a Bool.
<bacek> Ok, Int. Something but not undef.
<bacek> rakudo: try{die}; say defined $!; say (defined $!) xor 1;
<bacek> it return [1\n\n]
<pmichaud> oh.
<bacek> pmichaud, exactly...
<pmichaud> drat.  The spec changed on me:  # infix:<xor>, exclusive or
<pmichaud> $x xor $y
<pmichaud> Returns the true argument if there is one (and only one). Returns Bool::False if both arguments are false or both arguments are true. In list context forces a false return to mean (). See ^^ above for high-precedence version.
<bacek> pmichaud, problem not with 'xor'. Problem with variables...
<bacek> <bacek> rakudo: say (defined $!) xor 1;
<bacek> <p6eval> rakudo r28171 OUTPUT[1␤]
<pmichaud> 22:53 <pmichaud> right, we haven't corrected $_, $/, and $! yet.
<pmichaud> although what you wrote there looks right to me.
<pmichaud> unless $! is supposed to be undef... okay.
<cotto_home> what's a good example of what a language spec should look like?
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<pmichaud> actually, what you wrote there looks write to me.
<pmichaud> s/write/right/
<bacek> <bacek> rakudo: say undef xor 1;
<bacek> <p6eval> rakudo r28171 OUTPUT[1␤]
<pmichaud> correct.
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* bacek still dont understand how 'xor' can return undef...
<pmichaud> rakudo:  say (1 xor 1).WHAT;
<pmichaud> ww
<bacek> wrong channel :)
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<nopaste> "pmichaud" at 76.183.97.54 pasted "specte_regression results in head" (62 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13206
<bacek> pmichaud, why you 'rewrite' xor in PAST/Compiler.pir instead of invoking xor directly???
<pmichaud> xor is short circuiting
<pmichaud> a xor b xor c  is not the same as  ((a xor b) xor c)
<bacek> ouch...
<bacek> and how it should work???
<purl> somebody said how it should work was that M::B should generate enough stuff for ...
<pmichaud> a xor b xor c   returns the true element if there's exactly 1, otherwise it returns Bool::False
<bacek> pmichaud, pugs disagree with you :)
<pmichaud> pugs is wrong then.
<pmichaud> or the spec changed.
<pmichaud> hrm.
<bacek> in which spec xor defined? I cant find it in S29...
<pmichaud> it's an operator, so S03
<bacek> pmichaud, thanks. Looks like spec really changed.
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<pmichaud> bacek:  here's what I was working from:  http://groups.google.com/group/perl.perl6.language/msg/36b680b042a3aece
<shorten> pmichaud's url is at http://xrl.us/bmow7
<pmichaud> there's also:  http://groups.google.com/group/perl.perl6.language/msg/fae98f310e4dfcf4
<shorten> pmichaud's url is at http://xrl.us/bmoxb
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<bacek> to trust Larry or not to trust? This is the question!
<bacek> :)
<pmichaud> well, S03 was modified to have its current definition of C<xor> in 2007, so I presume the later interpretation rules.
<pmichaud> Which would mean I can tear out the 'xor' code altogether from PCT.
<pmichaud> which would be nice.
<pmichaud> but I'll ask on p6c.
<dalek> r28172 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Eliminate trailing white space at line 415.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28172
<pmichaud> message sent
<purl> Sorry, I've never seen sen before.
<pmichaud> time for shopping.
<pmichaud> ...."sen"?
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<bacek> bacek@icebolt:~/src/parrot/languages/perl6$ cat k.pl 
<bacek> say (0..10000000000000000)[5]
<bacek> bacek@icebolt:~/src/parrot/languages/perl6$ ../../parrot perl6.pbc k.pl 
<bacek> 4
<bacek> Gotcha! I did sketch for lazy list!
<bacek> "It hard to be lazy" (c) pmichaud++
<bacek> > say (grep { $_ % 3 == 0 }, (1..1000000000000000000))[5]
<bacek> lazy grep 2
<bacek> 15
<nopaste> "bacek" at 202.7.166.167 pasted "Sketch of LazyList for pmichaud to blame :)" (345 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13208
<bacek> msg pmichaud can you please say something about my LazyList 'proof-of-concept'?
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<bacek> yeek
<bacek> lazy bot!
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<bacek> kids time, see you everybody
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<dalek> r28173 | rgrjr++ | trunk:
<dalek> : * lib/Parrot/Pmc2c/MethodEmitter.pm:
<dalek> :    + (decl):  Remove broken (and pointless) optimization.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28173
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<dalek> r28174 | chromatic++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [src] Moved global pio_registered_layers to interpreter, removing static
<dalek> : variables (NotFound, RT #31806).
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28174
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<dalek> r28175 | chromatic++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [src] Removed global variables Parrot_exec_rel_addr and Parrot_exec_rel_count
<dalek> : (NotFound, see RT #54602).
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28175
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<dalek> r28176 | chromatic++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [spec] Added languages and perl6 targets to the parrot.spec file, so that RPM
<dalek> : builders can produce parrot-languages and parrot-perl6 RPMs (Gerd Pokorra, RT
<dalek> : #55220).
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28176
<dalek> r28177 | chromatic++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [config] Fixed signal-detecting tests to compile with g++.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28177
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<dalek> r28178 | chromatic++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [IO] Fixed some g++ compilation errors in Unix IO layer.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28178
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