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<dalek> r28417 | tene++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [chitchat]
<dalek> : * Take the grammar from gnu smalltalk instead of ST-80
<dalek> : * Add some very basic AST generation
<dalek> : * Add a single builtin, 'Transcript', with a single method
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28417
<moritz> pmichaud: your rakudo blog post has no title
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<Tene> chitchat: Transcript show: 'zomg hi'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[zomg hi␤]
<TiMBuS> how do i force a string copy without doing anything to the string?
<TiMBuS> maybe an empty concat..
<TiMBuS> nope
<Tene> TiMBuS: what are you trying to do?
<TiMBuS> reverse a string =/ but it doesnt copy
<TiMBuS> so, i copy the source too
<TiMBuS> uh
<TiMBuS> i reverse the source*
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<TiMBuS> am i supposed to use something other than 'clone' perhaps?
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<dalek> r28418 | tene++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Mention chitchat in NEWS, LANGUAGES_STATUS.pod, and 'make languages'
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28418
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<bacek> evening
<bacek> karma bacek
<purl> bacek has karma of 44
<bacek> karma moritz
<purl> moritz has karma of 49
<TiMBuS> karma fight!
<purl> fight! has karma of 1
<TiMBuS> .. lol, what
<bacek> yak...
* bacek wander if there is something similar to C++ constructors in protoobjects...
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<dalek> r28419 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [docs]
<dalek> : - add language ChitChat
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28419
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<dalek> r28420 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] update to trunk r28419
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28420
<dalek> r28421 | Whiteknight++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [docs/book] adding missing image to chapter 7 for rt#55374.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28421
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<kid51> YAPC::NA::2008 begins
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<Coke> dun-dun-DUN!
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<allison> coke: do your kids watch hoops and yoyo?
<dalek> r28422 | coke++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Add tcl and alphabetize language entries for this release.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28422
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<smash> hello everyone
<Whiteknight> hello
<Whiteknight> I just had a test failure with t/dynpmc/rational, ended with a segmentation fault
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<Whiteknight> and a lot of segfaults in t/stm/basic
<smash> which OS are you running ?
<Whiteknight> debian
* smash fires up a debian virtual machine
<Whiteknight> I'll do a realclean and an update before I file any tickets. I dont think I've realcleaned this morning
<Coke> allison: I have no idea what that is.
<confound> Coke: you are so uncool
<smash> Whiteknight: i'll to a 'make fulltest' in a sec
<Whiteknight> okay, awesome
<Coke> "hoops" to me means basketball.
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<smash> any ideias now to simply replace 'saveall' and 'restoreall' opcode
<smash> ?
<smash> Whiteknight: what version of debian you using ?
<Whiteknight> Ubuntu 8.04
<purl> Ubuntu 8.04 is probably out, go get it
<Whiteknight> thanks purl
<smash> what test is failling ?
<Whiteknight> the first test in t/dynpmc/rational, several tests in t/stm/* 
<Whiteknight> I closed it after that and started a make realclean
<smash> All tests successful, for those here.. i'm also running ubuntu
<smash> Coke: tomorrow release is going to be 0.6.3 correct ?
<pmichaud> oh, I need to update NEWS
<smash> pmichaud: please do that :)
<Whiteknight> okay, it must be a problem on my end. I'm rebuilding now
<smash> Whiteknight: ok, try it again afer rebuilding then
<smash> All tests successful, also on debian testing
<allison> coke: google search for "hoops and yoyo marshmallow", dun-dun-dun-DUN
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<Coke> smash: yes. I don't think we're ready for 0.7.0
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<smash_> damn storms :\
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<Whiteknight> who is the release manager for tomorrow?
<masak> <coke> masak, you might want to log the "breaks for all" on the ticket itself.
<masak>  
<masak> Coke: what does that mean?
<purl> That boy needs therapy.
<smash_> Coke: roger that
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<Coke> allison:Ah. those characters look vaguely familiar.
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<smash> (got disconnected again.. damn storms)
<Whiteknight>   smash, all tests pass for me now.
<smash> great
<Whiteknight> every now and then realclean is a necessity
* smash nods
<Coke> masak you said you had a patch. then you said the patch failed in some conditions. wanted to make sure the fact that the patch failed in those conditinos was documented inthe ticketing system.
<smash> i could use some windows testing feedback tho
<Coke> pmichaud: did you setup smash in pause?
<Coke> smash: I have some test faiulres, but a mostly good run in strawberry perl.
* Coke will svn up and try again.
<smash> Coke: still trying to get parrot to build on my windows :\
<masak> Coke: the bug should be platform-independent
<smash> Coke: some codingstd tests are failling.. 
<masak> the bug is here: http://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=55184
<masak> how do I log it as "breaks for all"?
<smash> pmichaud: any hints on replacing 'saveall' and 'restoreall' opcodes ?
<Coke> masak: that's good enough: sounded to me like you had a -patch- that broke. I misunderstood.
<masak> no, I have a patch that fixes
<masak> I'd like to have it reviewed and commented
<masak> it's here: http://paste2.org/p/39784
<Coke> aha. Sorry. =-)
<masak> np
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<dalek> r28423 | smash++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [release]
<dalek> :  * PLATFORMS update
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28423
<Coke> smash; the build is killing my battery. will complete later when I have power.
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<moritz> masak: I'll test it, just a sec
<smash> Coke: sure, thanks
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<Whiteknight> Anybody have an opinion on #55538, whether ".macro_const" should work in *.pir files?
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<moritz> masak: it seems to fix it, but not in the interactive shell
<masak> moritz: that's my conclusion as well
<Coke> it would have been nice if it did 3 days ago. but you can always put them in a .pasm file, include that from your .pir.
<masak> moritz: or rather, the first evaluation in the REPL shell always works
<masak> but after that, another block is involved somehow and messes up the counting
<moritz> masak: to increase your chances of getting the patch applied, please send it to rakudobug@perl.org
<masak> moritz: will do
<moritz> the REPL does some funny stuff with scoping
<masak> seemingly.
<Coke> it should work. it's not a high priority blocker.
<Whiteknight> Coke, 3 days ago would have been nice, I have to wait now till after the release. The patch to fix it was trivial though
<donaldh> Calling NCI experts...
<donaldh> I'm writing some pir to call sqlite3 but am having problems with out parameters
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<donaldh> Does anyone know what calling convention is required for:
<nopaste> "donaldh" at 144.254.89.228 pasted "sqlite3_open" (4 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13285
<donaldh> I'm reading through pdd16 and nativecall.pl but void** out parameters _seem_ to be an oversight.
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<donaldh> I think I need the reciprocal for "p" but "P" isn't that. "B" seems close but is actually string specific.
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<allison> Whiteknight: on RT #55538, it was spec'd but not implemented (note, pdd19 is still in draft), the patch looks reasonable
<Whiteknight> thanks allison, that's why I wanted to open it up for discussion and see if I should implement it or not. I'm inclined to say that we should just because it's an easy fix and worthwhile functionality
<Whiteknight> but we've gotten along just fine without it too
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<dalek> r28424 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Add docs/spectest-progress.csv to track progress on passing spectests.
<dalek> :   (I'll keep this file up-to-date for the time being.)
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28424
<moritz> pmichaud: any chance to include the graph in your blog post? people love charts ;)
* Whiteknight definitely loves charts
<moritz> it's attached to this mail: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.compiler/2008/06/msg1942.html
<shorten> moritz's url is at http://xrl.us/b7hzx
<moritz> sadly nntp.perl.org doesn't show attachments
<pmichaud> moritz: yes, I'm working on that.
<pmichaud> Wanted to get the data out first.
<moritz> pmichaud: and I'm working on modifying my script to work with the CSV data directly
<pmichaud> okay, great.
<pmichaud> Tim Bunce asked for the data in CSV format, and that seems like a reasonable happy medium for now.
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<Whiteknight> seen chromatic?
<purl> chromatic was last seen on #parrot 17 hours and 38 minutes ago, saying: Wow, if only something could notify me every hour! 
<diakopter> and that was that
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<pmichaud> grr, slow network.
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<moritz> pmichaud: I now updated the script. Do you want to add it to the repo? if yes, I'll add copyright information etc.
<moritz> nopaste?
<clunker3> http://pasta.test-smoke.org/ or http://paste.husk.org/ or http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/ or http://rafb.net/paste or http://poundperl.pastebin.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/
<purl> rumour has it nopaste is at http://nopaste.snit.ch/ (ask TonyC for new channels) or http://rafb.net/paste or http://paste.husk.org/ or http://poundperl.pastebin.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/ or don't bother me while I'm eating or App::Nopaste or tools/dev/nopaste.pl
<particle> Whiteknight: i'm sitting next to chromatic, what do you need?
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<nopaste> "moritz" at 89.13.234.141 pasted "tool for plotting t/docs/spectest-progress.csv" (40 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13286
<Coke> I need you to punch him in the face.
<Coke> crud, he's not sitting there any more.
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<Whiteknight> particle, I just sent him an email with questions about PMC_EXT
<Whiteknight> not a big deal, don't bother him if he's busy
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<moritz> why is rakudo.org so paranoid? first you have to log in to leave a comment, then it's still held for moderator approval
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<Coke> mebbe laster was getting a lotta spam. he's usually responsive if you want to ask him.
<Coke> s/laster/lester/
<Coke> smash:
<Coke> Files=585, Tests=11304, 752 wallclock secs ( 4.42 usr +  1.34 sys =  5.77 CPU)
<Coke> Result: FAIL
<Coke> Failed 9/585 test programs. 11/11304 subtests failed.
<Coke> mingw32-make: *** [test] Error 255
<smash> :\
<Coke> most of this there are already tickets for.
<Coke> I suppose we should TODO all those in time for the release.
<smash> ok, still trying to get this to build on windows
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<dalek> r28425 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] lots of small fixes
<dalek> : * Fixed macros and moved definitions outside functions
<dalek> : * turned simple marking functions into macros
<dalek> : * Fixed error in pobject_lives logic for GC_IT_MARK_ROOTS state
<dalek> : * Updated Gc_it_hdr to cache card and flag offsets, instead of raw index numbers
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28425
<particle> sorry, Whiteknight, got disconnected. have anything for chromatic?
<Whiteknight> nothing important, I sent him an email he can read at his leisure.
<nopaste> "donaldh" at 144.254.89.228 pasted "patch: adding void** OUT parameter support" (30 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13287
<donaldh> Can someone check this patch for sanity?
<Whiteknight> donaldh, for my limited knowledge of NCI, the patch looks decent
<donaldh> Whiteknight: it certainly solves my problem with sqlite3
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<NotFound> I'm thinking that will be good to rename include/parrot/debug.h to pdb.h to avoid confusions with compilers/imcc/debug.h and reduce dependencies. Opinions?
<pmichaud> smash: you should now have co-maint permissions on all Parrot modules in PAUSE.  Let me know if you run into any problems.
<smash> pmichaud: ok.. thank you
<smash> pmichaud: as i look to my "view permissions" page everything looks good
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* japhb is back from family-visit trip, just beginning to get caught up ...
<japhb> msg tetragon I plan for shapes.pir to be way more than a "teapot conveyor", but that's all I had time to get ready for the current release.
<purl> Message for tetragon stored.
<dalek> r28426 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] more small fixes
<dalek> : * Kill unused redirect functions
<dalek> : * Fix some comments
<dalek> : * Fix gc_it_add_arena_to_free_list to perform correct behavior
<dalek> : * Stop relying on sizeof(char) == 1 for pointer arithmetic (even though it's usually safe)
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28426
<japhb> Tene: You were getting a segfault in shapes.pir?  Is it still there, and do you have time to locate it with me?
<smash> Coke: you're building with 'nmake' or 'mingw32-make' ?
<japhb> Coke: were you looking for me, or just needed my email address?  (And if the latter, for what?  I haven't checked my mail yet.)
<Whiteknight> japhb, shapes.pir is awesome!
<japhb> Whiteknight: thanks.  :-)
<NotFound> MMmmm.... but sizeof(char) == 1 by definition!
<japhb> Whiteknight: Like I msg'ed to tetragon, I'm hoping to make it cooler still.
<Whiteknight> NotFound, I don't think so. I've heard it has to be "at least" that size, but no requirement that it must always be 1
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<donaldh> japhb: I never got a patch for cygwin for you - lightning took out most of my electronics.
<NotFound> Whiteknight: sizeof return the size in byte, and the definition of byte in the C standard is the size of a char.
<japhb> donaldh: OUCH.  I hope you were insured and backed up!
<donaldh> both, thanks.
<japhb> (offsite)
<japhb> good!
<NotFound> What is not required is that a byte has just 8 bits.
<Coke> d/smash: mingw32-make
<japhb> donaldh: some of your problems may have been fixed by now because of other people's requests.  Care to try again?
<Coke> japhb, double checking our commit bit lists/emails. nbd.
<japhb> Coke: Ah, OK.
* Coke will try to remember to do that in private, sorry.
<donaldh> japhb: it looks like we need a 3rd platform type for windows. VC++ != MinGW != cygwin
<Coke> My platform ATM is strawberry perl.
<Coke> I also have vc++ here, but don't use it by default.
<japhb> donaldh: nodnod.
<donaldh> japhb: I svn uped about 1 hour ago and still got errors. Give me a minute.
<japhb> donaldh: thanks.
<Whiteknight> NotFound, maybe that's what I'm thinking of, the 8-bits requirement
<smash> Coke: ok, thks
<nopaste> "donaldh" at 144.254.89.228 pasted "japhb: opengl configure error" (5 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13289
<japhb> donaldh: Oh, that's an easy one.  (Or, well, it should be ...)
<donaldh> Yep.
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<japhb> donaldh: Should just be a matter of adding the standard include/GL directory for your compiler to the list in config/gen/opengl.pm
<japhb> in "sub runstep"
<donaldh> Yup. I thought I'd hacked through that.
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<donaldh> Maybe if I set INCLUDE it works. I forgot.
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<japhb> donaldh: Which of the 3 compiler environments are you running?
<donaldh> cygwin gcc
<donaldh> japhb: I need /usr/include/w32api to be searched for GL/*
<japhb> mrf.  I thought cygwin used the unix-like directories?
<japhb> donaldh: oh.  OK, that's a fair change.
<japhb> give me a minute to svn up
<smash> i don't believe it !!!!! i'm actually running a test on windows !! sweet
<Coke> smash++
<donaldh> japhb: Awww. That's nice. shapes.pir is running.
<japhb> schweet
<NotFound> Whiteknight: 6.5.3.4 The sizeof operator. .... 3 - When applied to an a operand that has type char, unsigned char or signed char (or a qualified version thereof) the result is 1.
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<donaldh> so, yes, the link libs issues are already resolved.
<NotFound> From the draft of 1998, but I think in previous versions was the same.
<donaldh> japhb: I get a core when I quit. I'll investigate later.
<japhb> donaldh: perfect.  OK.  Give me a couple minutes to make the patch (I'm multitasking), or you can if you like.  Just comment that directory glob as being for cygwin.
<japhb> donaldh: That's interesting ... I wonder if that's where Tene was coring ...
<japhb> afk for just a sec
<Whiteknight> NotFound, thanks. 
<dalek> r28427 | particle++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [core] remove warning for potentially uninitialized variable
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28427
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<japhb> donaldh: bak
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<donaldh> japhb: in glutTimerFunc () from /usr/bin/glut32.dll
<donaldh> japhb: I'd need to build glut with debugging to find the cause
<japhb> donaldh: odd, that
<donaldh> howso
<japhb> ... since I don't use glutTimerFunc in shapes.pir (yet)
<dalek> r28428 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] liberally apply "const" to variables, fix 16-bit bitfields to unsigned short ints (for ease and compatibility)
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28428
<nopaste> "donaldh" at 144.254.89.228 pasted "japhb: stack trace" (51 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13290
<japhb> donaldh: brb
<japhb> Interesting stack trace
<japhb> .oO( libglutcb has the nice (and unplanned) side effect of letting me see which GLUT callback occurred in C stack traces ...)
<japhb> donaldh: I'm confused by that trace ... it almost looks as if GLUT on Win32 is internally setting timers in order to keep idle events working.
<dalek> r28429 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] redo gc_it_get_free_object to use current data structures. initialize parent_pool pointer of all objects in initialization routine instead.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28429
<japhb> Hmmm, I wonder if that's true cross-platform, and I just didn't notice before.
<japhb> summon Tene
<donaldh> japhb: that could be.
<Coke> who wants to write something that will email the user when summon is used?
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<donaldh> japhb: sorry I need to go.
<japhb> donaldh: fair enough.  At least we got things to *run* for you, even if it crashes at exit
<donaldh> I'll look into the why when I get a chance.
<jonathan> pmichaud: Looks like we get all of our talking done on the first day of YAPC::EU.
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<smash> jonathan: and i'm the the first one
<jonathan> Yes, I noticed.
<jonathan> That track is Perl 6 and Parrot for much of the day.
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* smash nods.
<Tene> japhb: I'll be around shortly.
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<japhb> Tene: thx
<Tene> Just waking up.  Still need to shower, scrollback, email.
<japhb> Tene: I've got about 3 days of scrollback and email to address, so I feel your pain.
<Tene> I've got 7 hours.
<Tene> Okay, starting X, will test again shortly.
<Tene> japhb: Yes, it still segfaults, and I have a few minutes.
<japhb> Tene: at exit, or startup?
<Tene> startup.  does not display any window.
<Tene> lemme nopaste
<Tene> purl: nopaste?
<purl> i guess nopaste is at http://nopaste.snit.ch/ (ask TonyC for new channels) or http://rafb.net/paste or http://paste.husk.org/ or http://poundperl.pastebin.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/ or don't bother me while I'm eating or App::Nopaste or tools/dev/nopaste.pl
<japhb> k
<nopaste> "tene" at 67.182.199.217 pasted "shapes.pir" (5 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13291
<dalek> r28430 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] several fixes:
<dalek> : * Simplify "sweep" phase mechanics in the state machine
<japhb> WTF?  That doesn't look like a bug in my code.  That looks like a Parrot bytecode bug of some sort
<dalek> : * Fix private function prototypes to use "static"
<dalek> : * Redo gc_it_enqueue_next_root for more efficient and sane handling of non-aggregate root items
<dalek> : * Update card resetting function name and comments
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28430
<japhb> Tene: are you running something other than trunk?
<Tene> japhb: plain vanilla trunk, just did a fresh checkout.
<Tene> I'm on x86_64
<Tene> fedora
<japhb> OK, that's really freakish
<japhb> Let me svn up and rebuild
<Tene> Hm, triangle.pir does the same thing.
<Infinoid> hmm.  I'm getting "freeglut (examples/opengl/triangle.pir):  ERROR:  Internal error <Visual with necessary capabilities not found> in function fgOpenWindow"
* Infinoid wonders what he broke.
<japhb> Given the failure, I'm not surprised.  As far as I can tell, the OpenGL code hasn't even begun to run at that point, it's the bytecode unpacker failing.
<japhb> (That was to tene)
<japhb> Infinoid: that's ... odd.
<japhb> Infinoid: I could sortof imagine that happening in shapes.pir, but not triangle.pir.
<japhb> triangle.pir is about as dead simple as possible.
<Infinoid> oh, glxinfo reports errors too.  let me fix my system libraries first, then I'll be back :)
<japhb> (intentionally -- it's supposed to be the 00-sanity of the OpenGL code)
<japhb> Infinoid: gotcha.
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* Infinoid is going through spinning triangle withdrawl
<japhb> Infinoid: heh
* Tene does actual clean checkout, just to try
<smash> pois
<smash> ups, sorry
<Tene> Ah.
<Tene> japhb: in a new checkout, not just realcleaned, I get: 
<Tene> error:imcc:No such file or directory in file 'examples/opengl/triangle.pir' line 26
<Tene> Which is opengl_defines.pasm
<Tene> In Makefile.PL, I get: Generating OpenGL bindings.........................................skipped.
<japhb> Tene: OK, now your error is making sense
<japhb> What did the autodetection say?
<Tene> japhb: how can I see that?
<japhb> rerun Configure.pl
<Tene> What line am I looking for there?
<japhb> You should see a line "Determining if your platform supports OpenGL...."
<Tene> "no"
<japhb> That would be the problem, right there.  :-)
<japhb> Have you rebuilt your box recently?
* Tene tries "freeglut-devel"
<japhb> Tene, oh yeah, that would be needed, yes
<Tene> Yeah, works now.
<Tene> Sorry to waste your time.
<japhb> Tene: no problem!
<japhb> OK, lessee ... Tene
<japhb> er
<japhb> Tene's problem fixed, Infinoid fixing his box, donaldh getting weird segfault on exit (ooh, I think I have a workaround in my head for that one), ... Is that everyone with OpenGL problems?
<moritz> that shape example runs fine for me ;)
<japhb> Wish I'd had time to finish it for this release, but I guess that will happen in the next release cycle
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<NotFound> languages/perl6/docs/spectest-progress.csv is failing codetest
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<dalek> r28431 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] add a scan minimum, in case we enqueue a very shallow tree. Separate out code for selecting serial/parallel modes into it's own function.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28431
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<dalek> r28432 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * SVN property fix on spectest-progress.csv .
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28432
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<dalek> r28433 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Update Complex as subclass of Any, add .perl method (dolmen++)
<dalek> : * Patch RT#55872 courtesy Olivier Mengu� <olivier.mengue@gmail.com>
<dalek> :   (with minor changes by pmichaud)
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28433
<dalek> r28434 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] bunch of small changes, mostly comments
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28434
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<tewk> pmichaud: ping.
<pmichaud> pong.
<tewk> I've got two questions.
<tewk> I want to write a CPP grammar that is only parses a line at a time.
<tewk> Should I split the input file into lines and then feed them to PGE a line at a time?
<pmichaud> that would probably work, yes.
<tewk> Would the interactive features of HLL, help at all here?
<pmichaud> whether that's the best approach or not -- I don't know.  I'd have to play with it.
<avar> You can define TOP as <line>+ and then have rule line {} define the real grammar
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<tewk> Its not interactive, but because of #include the input stream can dynamically change. :)
<pmichaud> I don't think interactive parts of HLL would be of much use, no.
<tewk> Could I write a C preprocessor in rakudo as it stands today?
<pmichaud> Depends on what you want from the C preprocessor.  Certainly if there's a feature missing we could see about quickly adding it.
<PerlJam> tewk: someone could, I don't know if *you* can  ;-)
<dalek> r28435 | smash++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [release]
<dalek> :  * skip a couple of tests that are failling because deprecated opcodes are being used
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28435
<tewk> I basically need to read files, parse lines using grammars, and be able to call pir functions.
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<tewk> I was about to write my custom CPP in PIR, but that just seemed laborious given rakudos progress.
<PerlJam> tewk: so ... are you not going to use PCT but rather rakudo itself?
<dalek> r28436 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Make rakudo's grammar slightly closer to STD.pm (expect_term).
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28436
<Coke2ElectricBoogal> ... damnit, I just spilled my salad all over the chair and floor of my room. :|
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<tewk> CPP isn't really a language.  I'm not sure if PCT will be much help.
<cjfields_> pmichaud: how far away are we from implementing methods in p6?
<cjfields_> s/methods/rakudo methods/
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<PerlJam> I find that statement odd "cpp isn't really a language", but since you're the one doing the work, however you want to look at it  :)
<PerlJam> tewk: btw, have I told you congrats on the grant yet?  if not, tewk++
<tewk> Its a text macro language, kinda like m4 or tcl.
* Coke glares at tewk.
<Coke> "IS TOO!"
<PerlJam> tewk: sure, but it's still a language that requires parsing and some semantics associated with the syntax.
<PerlJam> tewk: I'm just wondering where the dividing line is between "a langauge" and "not really a language"
<Eevee> by this definition I propose php is not really a language
<moritz> that reminds me of that "dynamic languages strike back" talk, where the definition of "dynamic languages" was "by definition, languages like perl, python, ruby, javascript, ..."
<Eevee> haha
<Eevee> dynamic languages are languages that are like other dynamic languages
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<NotFound> So the only way to define dynamic languages is by listing all?
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<moritz> NotFound: no, but it's the funniest way ;)
<moritz> common characteristics are run-time typing, eval(), closures, garbage collecting etc.
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<pmichaud> cjfields_: (methods in p6)  -- I thought I was going to have it working this past weekend, but there are some issues with parrot's :load :init semantics.
<pmichaud> so I need some time to map it all out in my head.
<pmichaud> (or in front of a white board or something.)
<bacek> morning everyone.
<bacek> pmichaud, Is there anything like 'C++ constructors' for protoobjects?
<bacek> e.g. code executed on "new 'List'".
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<PerlJam> pm: I'm looking at rt55184.   The patch provided in the ticket does seem to fix the problem stated, but should parrot perl6.pbc -e '{ $_ }' do the same thing or does the presence of $_ automatically parameterize the code block?
<PerlJam> never mind, found the answer in S04
<cjfields_> pmichaud: ok.  I have a couple of p6-based implementations (including trans).  I'll submit to them to RT when I get them passing tests.
<pmichaud> pj:  I'm rejecting 55184.  I don't like the way rakudo is (over)using the __VARIABLE_FLAGS .
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<pmichaud> it reminds me of 'infix:,' -- it's a meme that's being cargo culted in too many places to patch (not fix) the original problems.
<tewk> pmichaud: Can I prematurely end a parse with pge returning the current match and character position.?
<pmichaud> tewk: for what purpose?
<pmichaud> (short answer 'no', but depending on what you want to do there's likely another approach)
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<pmichaud> bacek:  (constructors)   that's method .new
<pmichaud> e.g.,   List.new(parameters)
<dalek> r28437 | coke++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [examples]
<dalek> : Convert one of the older PASM example files (with opcodes that were removed)
<tewk> pmichaud: When I hit a #include I need to change the source stream,  Can I do that in a parse action?
<dalek> : into a functional PIR version.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28437
<pmichaud> you could potentially alter the current string being matched and then pick up from the same location.
<pmichaud> it probably can be done from a parse action also.
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<bacek> pmichaud, thanks a lot!
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<Coke> smash: I'm resurrecting your dead tests.
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<pmichaud> (topic transfered from #hackathon) -- one of the things I was thinking we might cover during the hackathon was "brainstorming ideas for HLL interop, library management".  It didn't happen -- we were all busy.  (more)
<pmichaud> should we try to schedule a time to discuss that -- perhaps a miniBOF of some sort?
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<bacek> pmichaud, .new doesn't work... ".namespace['List'] .sub '.new' :method say 'Hello' .end   list = new 'List'.
<bacek> pmichaud, what I did wrong?
<pmichaud> bacek:  That's because one has to use the protoobject to do that.
<pmichaud> $P0 = get_hll_global 'List'
<pmichaud> list = $P0.'new'()
<dalek> r28438 | coke++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Convert another very old, broken PASM test into modern pir.
<dalek> : The last converted test should have used PMCs, not ints, fix that up. Add
<bacek> pmichaud, ok... It's just too many places with 'new List'.
<dalek> : some comments to the description to clear that up.
<dalek> : All tests in t/benchmark/benchmarks.t now pass without TODO.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28438
<pmichaud> sometimes we want  'new List'.  Sometimes we'll want listproto.'new'()
<pmichaud> it depends on the operation.
<pmichaud> (and sometimes we'll want  'list'(...)  )  :-)
<bacek> pmichaud, I always want 'listproto.new()' for initialize lazy list :)
<pmichaud> well, 'list'() will create a lazy list also.
<pmichaud> Even new List will create a lazy list.
<bacek> pmichaud, indeed.
<pmichaud> all lists will be lazy.
<Coke> pmichaud: We can bof it, but I doubt more than the usual crowd wills how.
<Coke> (doesn't hurt to ask.)
<pmichaud> well, I'm more interested in getting "the usual crowd to show" than trying to advertise widely.
<bacek> But I need some internal initialization to avoid checks during execution
<pmichaud> so I'm not sure I want to call it a BOF.
<pmichaud> bacek:  avoid checks?
<Coke> pmichaud: belt and suspenders we can do both. put it on the bof schedule and send an email to the list.
<bacek> pmichaud, yes. E.g. 'do we have initialized list of generators'?
<Coke> (like allison just did)
<pmichaud> I'm wondering a good time.
<Coke> ... ok. now that THOSE shiny tests are fixed...
<Coke> pmichaud: well, I have bofs from 5:30 to 7:30 tonight. after that "OMG HUNGREE"
<pmichaud> bacek: I don't think we need to worry about 'initialized list'
<pmichaud> coke:  I have the same bofs.  I could ask at the parrot foundation bof.
<bacek> pmichaud, another stupid question: how I can 'decorate' RPA methods in List?
<pmichaud> ...decorate?
<bacek> shift_pmc from List can generate new value.
<pmichaud> bacek: I don't understand.
<pmichaud> (I understand that shift from List can generate a new value... I don't understand what your question is getting at.)
<bacek> pmichaud, List is (evaluated, generators) tuple.
<pmichaud> yes.
<dalek> r28439 | smash++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [release]
<dalek> :  * skip some tests failling on win32 for scheduled release
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28439
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<bacek> pushing item in List can be in any of this RPA depending of current state.
<pmichaud> pushing an item in list simply adds it to the generators tuple.
<bacek> Hey. What about premature optimisation!? :)
<pmichaud> hmmm?
<bacek> if we pushing scalar and list completly evaluated we can push directly to evaluated RPA
<smash> Coke: skipped a couple of tests on win32, think you can svn up and mingw32-make test on your machine ?
<pmichaud> do we need to do that at the time of the push?  Why not do it when we need it?
<pmichaud> i.e., is there an advantage to doing that at the time of the push?
<bacek> less work on get_pmc_keyed.
<pmichaud> why?
<pmichaud> I mean, how is that less work?
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<bacek> omit dummy 'evaluation'
<pmichaud> I still don't understand.
<Tene> So, what do I need to know about trying to bring files into parrot that are GPL-licensed?
<bacek> Example: if list is ((1,2), (3..5)) pushing element 'a'  will produce ((1,2), (3..5, 'a')). Its fine
<PerlJam> bacek: isn't it ((1,2), (3..5), 'a')  ?
<bacek> But if list is ((1,2,3,4,5), ()) pushing element 'a' can produce ((1,2,3,4,5,'a'), ()) and list[5] can directly access new element
<pmichaud> perljam:  I think he's looking at it as a (evaluated, generators) tuple.
<bacek> pmichaud, yes. It is
<PerlJam> oh
<pmichaud> bacek:  yes, but you're incurring the cost at the time of the push instead of at the time of the []
<dalek> r28440 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Applying patch submitted in
<dalek> : http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=55566.  config/init/hints.pm
<pmichaud> overall it's the same cost.
<dalek> : will no longer die when failing to find a hints file for an unknown OS.  It
<dalek> : will assume that this is an OS Parrot has never been configured on before and
<dalek> : attempt to DTRT.  Nathan Gray++ for our first attempt on GNU Hurd.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28440
<pmichaud> on the push, we have to check that generators is empty and that the item being pushed is scalar
<pmichaud> however, if we just put it on generators, then on the [] we incur the cost only if evaluated is empty
<pmichaud> sorry, only if evaluated doesn't have enough elements
<pmichaud> but either way we have to check that either generated or evaluated is empty at some point
<pmichaud> I'd prefer to do it at the point of the [], since that has to do it *anyway*
<pmichaud> there's also the very real possibility that we'll never use [] after a push
<bacek> pmichaud, I actually check '$!pos' which is 'pos-after-evaluated-end'
<pmichaud> which would mean that we will have incurred the overhead of checking the generated array and the pushed value type for no reason
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<bacek> pmichaud, ok. got the point.
<pmichaud> so in this case, it's definitely a "premature optimization."  In fact, it might not even be an optimization.  :-)
<bacek> :)
<bacek> Ok.
<pmichaud> one thing to remember is that array indexing really ought to be far less common than iterating and shift
<pmichaud> and push and the like
<pmichaud> and even in the case of using [] to look at elements in a List, there are many cases where we'll stop before we ever reach the end.
<bacek> It's just too many points in code, where "dummy C style iterating over List" used.
<pmichaud> I'm getting rid of those where I can -- I don't know how they got in there.
<pmichaud> (I didn't write them.)
<pmichaud> I already eliminated them for grep, map, and the like.
<bacek> (about []) yes... But almost all of this access invoke 'elements List' before. So it require full evaluation
<pmichaud> we can actually compute the number of elements without having to fully evaluate everything.
<bacek> pmichaud, they are not in List itself. 
<pmichaud> oh, you mean in Perl 6 code?  
<bacek> pmichaud, yes.
<pmichaud> I can only point to the synopses that say that 'for' is the proper way to iterate over things.  :-)
<pmichaud> if someone wants to write improper code, I'm not necessarily going to optimize for it.  :-)
<PerlJam> loop works :)
<pmichaud> so does     for @list.kv -> $index, $value { ... }
<pmichaud> so there's not much point in even using @list[$index] any more, except on something that has already been generated.
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<bacek> pmichaud, +1.
<bacek> pmichaud, ok. I have almost fully implemented lazy list.
<bacek> It requires a bit of polish.
<pmichaud> bacek:  okay, I'll take a look at it when it's ready.
<pmichaud> Right now I need to rip out the $_ and $! guts and get those working.
<bacek> pmichaud, probably tonight. My tonight :)
<PerlJam> any of you going to the TPF grant "bof"?  It supposedly starts in 10 min.
<pmichaud> but lazy lists is going to be an area where I'm going to be pretty picky that it be done "the right way"  (according to my definition of "right"  :-)
<pmichaud> I am.
<TimToady> bacek: you might look at what I ended up in pugs/src/perl6/LazyMap.pm for reference; I had to polish it quite a while already...
<bacek> Have to go. 
<bacek> TimToady, thanks. I'll take a look.
<dalek> r28441 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Reverting patch applied in r28390.  Todd Olson's bug report is still valid,
<dalek> : but first attempt at remedying it didn't completely cleanly.  So am backing it
<dalek> : out until after 20080617 release.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28441
<bacek> afk # kids->school, self->$dayjob
<kid51> PerlJam: particle will be attending that BOF.  Am currently applying patches, but hope to go out for dinner after that BOF winds up.
<pmichaud> immediately after that BOF is the Parrot Foundation BOF.
<pmichaud> and time for me to go.
<pmichaud> afk # BOF
<dalek> r28442 | jkeenan++ | handledarwin:
<dalek> : Creating handledarwin in https://svn.perl.org/parrot//branches
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28442
<Whiteknight> does parrot support something like tied variables? callbacks on variable accesses?
<PerlJam> for some reason "bof" always makes me think of Beaker from the Muppets and I want to say "bof bof bof"
<PerlJam> But that might be confused with something else :)
<dalek> r28443 | jkeenan++ | handledarwin-28441:
<dalek> : Tagging trunk at r28441 so that the handledarwin can later be synched to it.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28443
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<Infinoid> japhb: ping
<nopaste> "Infinoid" at 96.238.213.50 pasted "Parrot breaks my opengl!" (123 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13294
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<japhb> Infinoid: "Here I am!"
<japhb> (Doing my best WildFire impression)
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<Infinoid> japhb: this is just weird...
<japhb> WTF?!?
<japhb> OK, does the same truly evil behavior happen with triangle.pir?
<Infinoid> seems to, judging from what happened last time, but I'd have to reboot to be sure.
<Infinoid> I doubt it's parrots fault, but I am fresh out of Clue
<japhb> So a reboot fixes everything, no need to make other system changes?
<Infinoid> a reboot fixes glxinfo, that's all.  parrot still doesn't work, and some side effect of it takes everything else out
<japhb> OS/Platform?
<Infinoid> linux (gentoo)/x86-64
<japhb> murf.
<Infinoid> after work I'll try futzing around with the xscreensaver opengl hacks, to see whether anything else runs.
<japhb> It sounds like somehow DRI is getting hosed.
<Infinoid> yeah.  I'd never seen anything like it.
<japhb> I do note that that is an RC version of Mesa you're running ... Intel DRI bug in the beta code, perhaps?
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<japhb> What about glxgears?
<Infinoid> possibly.  its actually a git build
<Infinoid> same version that made your header parser barf :)
* japhb chuckles
<Infinoid> gonna reboot after work and try glxgears, but first, gotta work
<japhb> nodnod
<japhb> let me know.
<Infinoid> thanks!
<japhb> np!
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<dalek> r28444 | smash++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [release]
<dalek> :  * make t/codingstd/pdd_format.t happy
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28444
<kid51> seen particle?
<purl> particle was last seen on #parrot 7 hours and 15 minutes ago, saying: sorry, Whiteknight, got disconnected. have anything for chromatic? 
<dalek> r28445 | smash++ | trunk:
<dalek> : * fix white trailling spaces
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28445
<japhb> .oO( It's the maroon trailing spaces you really need to avoid, of course ... )
* kid51 at this point is seeing polka dots in his trailing spaces :)
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<kid51> Hola tetragon!
<tetragon> Hi
<purl> salut, tetragon.
<japhb> r28390?
<japhb> bah
<tetragon> Haven't tried that revision yet
<japhb> Anyone know if there's a syntax that one of the bots will respond to that will convert a revision number to a diff link?  (A parallel syntax for RT ids would be nice too.)
<japhb> tetragon: I was just trying to talk to a bot.  :-)
<Whiteknight> i had a bot that did it for a while, but it's unreliable
<tetragon> japhb: And your teapot conveyor needs more teapots
<japhb> tetragon: The next planned things are a particle effect and a 3D Lissajous animation ...
<diakopter> japhb: well, there's http://irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today which has the diff links from Rxxx
<tetragon> japhb: Make a commit, then edit the URL that gets output here
<japhb> The particle effect will test PIR-generated texture buffer contents, and the Lissajous (and possibly particle effect) will test NCI calls with pointers into the middle of a buffer.  I'm trying to make sure my OpenGL wrappers allow PIR to do anything C can do with OpenGL.
<japhb> diakopter: So just randomly refer to a rev number, then look at the irclog?  Nice idea ... bound to confuse the heck out of other live IRC users.  Perhaps if I prefix with 'logbait:'
<japhb> tetragon: I ended up doing something similar with someone else's commit.  ;-)
* japhb wonders how close we could get to passing a Turing test if we merged all the smarts from all of the IRC bots in existence ...
<Whiteknight> what does make fulltest do that make test doesnt?
<japhb> Whiteknight: from a grep, it looks like that answer varies depending on whether you are referring to Parrot or Rakudo.
<Whiteknight> japhb, parrot
<japhb> Well, if the docs are to be believed, Parrot's 'fulltest' reruns the test under different runcores.
<Whiteknight> okay, that explains why it keeps looping
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<kid51> Whiteknight: Yes, that is what 'make fulltest' does.  So it's something we need to do before releases, but not necessarily otherwise.
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<Whiteknight> kid51, I'm running it now, doing my part for the release
<kid51> Whiteknight: Very good.
<Whiteknight> t/benchmark/benchmarks is killing me! this is taking forever!
<Whiteknight> I think it's the gc-debug core, so that's not good
<tetragon> kid51: Any idea when the -arch patch can make it in?
<kid51> I seem to remember that that test had failures last month ... but I don't think it's an obstacle to release.
<japhb> Has a version number been decided for the release tomorrow?
<japhb> It looks like the NEWS updates are very incomplete, but unless there's earth-shattering stuff, I'm guessing 0.6.3 ...
<japhb> s/stuff/stuff not yet entered in NEWS/
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<Whiteknight> is there any last minute stuff that needs a lookin' at? tests? documentation?
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<japhb> Whiteknight: well, the NEWS entry for the new release needs to be filled in.
<Whiteknight> I've never done a NEWS entry, but I've got a lot of free tuits tonight
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<japhb> Might be worth making a pass over the commit messages and pulling out obvious stuff.  Just match the level of detail seen in previous updates.
<dalek> r28446 | Whiteknight++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [NEWS] add notes about pdd09 updates and gc-system function/macro name updates
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28446
<smash> pmichaud: ping
<Whiteknight> didn't pmichaud implement the return PAST functionality this month?
<Whiteknight> that's a big deal worth mentioning
<smash> i'm guessing that he forgot (again) to update news  :-)
<Whiteknight> i'll add a version of it now, he can embellish it later
<smash> great
<dalek> r28447 | Whiteknight++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [NEWS] add stub note about "Return" PAST.op node type, details can be filled in if needed.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28447
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<tetragon> Looks like t/op/sprintf.t 157 is unexpectedly succeeding on my box
<smash> tetragon: windows ?
<purl> it has been said that windows is still starting up ... time to go read another issue of Vagina magazine and count gonads and lymph nodes, shaved, furry, stubbly, waxed, firm, fake, who cares, just open wide (surprise!)
<tetragon> smash: OS X 10.5.2, ppc
<smash> purl: forget windows
<purl> smash: I forgot windows
<smash> it should only be skipping that test on windows
<japhb> Whiteknight: the pdd09_gc function/macro updates that you mention in Miscellaneous might belong in Implementation instead.
<tetragon> It's not skipping, it runs
<Whiteknight> japhb, easy fix. I'll move it
<japhb> msg particle Backlogging, it looks like your improvements to mk_language_shell.pl deserve a mention in NEWS.
<purl> Message for particle stored.
* tetragon notices that 10.5 gives low disk space warnings with much more free space left than 10.4
<dalek> r28448 | Whiteknight++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [NEWS] move gc-related stuff under "implementation" instead of "miscellaneous"
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28448
<smash> msg pmichaud pm, please do not forget to update NEWS.
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* smash grins
<tetragon> smash: My system's printf manpage specifically mentions C99
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<smash> tetragon: ahh, ok.. that one is skipped for everyone because fails on windows
<smash> (looking at file now)
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<dolmen> msg chromatic here is a parrot crash case: perl -e 'print "class Foo;\n" x 3;' | ../../parrot perl6.pbc
<tetragon> smash: ok 157 # TODO [%.0g] C99 standard mandates minus sign but C89 does not skip: MSWin32 VMS hpux:10.20 openbsd netbsd:1.5 irix
<smash> yeap, but if fails on windows.. and i can't skip it on t/op/sprintf.t based on OS
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<smash> wait, maybe i can
<tetragon> It still unexpectedly passes if I remove any mention of skipping from it
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<smash> i have to go, i'll take another look at it tomorrow
* smash wavez
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<japhb> msg chromatic Is your IMCC work (such as the register allocator improvements) NEWS worthy?
<japhb> Ooops, no purl
<japhb> ENOPURL
<davidfetter> IM IN UR IRC CHANNL, LOOKIN' 4 PURL
<Coke> Whiteknight: ping
<Coke> dolmen: ping
<Coke> japhb: yes, probably. He's out to dinner atm, though, so an attempt to summarize on his behalf woudl be most welcome.
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<Coke> so, boardgame bof. Hook me up.
<Coke> ww
<Whiteknight> pong?
<Whiteknight> i've never been pinged before, I dont think. This is an occasion to remember!
<Coke> Whiteknight: parrot does not, SFAIK, have a mechanism to fire off callbacks on pmc vtables.
<Coke> so if you do a "set_integer_native", e.g., there's no hook.
<Coke> Tcl needs this, so it's got to go in eventually,k but I don't think you can do it yet.
<Whiteknight> so tied variables would need to be performed at the HLL-level?
<Coke> ATM.
<Whiteknight> so it's expected that we will do this in Parrot eventually?
<Whiteknight> with "eventually" > "Parrot 1.0" possibly?
<Coke> it's expected by me, anyway.
<Whiteknight> okay. it's something I would like to see too, for what my opinion is worth
<Whiteknight> perl coders without all sorts of creepy active data aren't happy perl coders
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<japhb> Coke: I might be able to do the summary later, but can't do it right now ... family visiting
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<Coke> hokay
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<dalek> r28449 | coke++ | trunk:
<dalek> : RT #40204
<dalek> : Add a TODO'd regression test for the failing behavior.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28449
<pmichaud> updating NEWS now.
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<Whiteknight> pmichaud, I added in a stub about your work on the "return" opcode, i'm sure you need to rewrite/expand that
<pmichaud> yes, thanks.  updating it now.  :-)
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<Whiteknight> seen chromatic?
<dalek> r28450 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] proper use of PObj_*_TEST flag checking macros, instead of direct bitwise access to the PObj flag field myself. Update comments
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28450
<Coke> I have not seen chromatic since 7 or so.
<Coke> but I'm on teh second floor. he might be downstairs.
<pmichaud> he was at dinner, we got back about 30 mins ago
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<dalek> r28451 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Update NEWS.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28451
<Whiteknight> my problem is that the more I code, the more little questions I come up with. If he's around I can get the right answers, if not, I'll fabricate the wrong ones :)
<dalek> r28452 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] prevent duplicate items from being marked. An item cannot be added to the grey list if it is already grey, black, or free.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28452
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<Eevee> can rakudo read from stdin or a file or anything yet?
<Eevee> (it's dumb but I want to try ita's movie puzzle in perl 6)
<dalek> r28453 | coke++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [codingstd]
<dalek> : Remove useless SKIP block.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28453
<Tene> Eevee: yes, both
<Eevee> =$*ARGV and =$*STDIN both give me
<Eevee> get_iter() not implemented in class 'Undef'
<Eevee> clearly I am dumb
<Tene> I'll check on it in a couple of hours, if you'll still be here.
<dalek> r28454 | coke++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [codingstd]
<dalek> : Remove commented out code.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28454
<Eevee> may be asleep by then, but thanks
<Eevee> I will fiddle
<Tene> I know at least that open() works
<pmichaud> $*IN
<pmichaud> $*ARGS
<Eevee> oh  :V
<Eevee> $*ARGS is alsoUundef
<Eevee> pretend I replaced the right char there
<Eevee> also prefix:<=> in item context doesn't appear to work
<Eevee> but for $*IN works, thanks
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<Eevee> any way to split()?
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<pmichaud> on a regex or a constant string?
<Eevee> either
<Eevee> $str.split(' ') gives me no applicable methods
<pmichaud> must not be implemented yet.
<Eevee> rakudo: say 'aba'.split('b')
<Eevee> uh
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<cjfields> try that on #perl6
<Eevee> odd, worked
<cjfields> really?  maybe it's set up to msg directly back to the user here
<cjfields> rakudo: say 'A'..'Z'
<Eevee> at a glance I don't see evalbot here
<cotto_yapc> perl6: say 'aba'.split('b')
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[aa␤]
<cjfields> aha!
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<Eevee> ah
<cjfields> perl6: say 'A'..'Z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZAAABACADAEAFAGAHAIAJAKALAMANAOAPAQARASATAUAVAWAXAYAZBABBBCBDBEBFBGBHBIBJBKBLBMBNBOBPBQBRBSBTBUBVBWBXBYBZCACBCCCDCECFCGCHCICJCKCLCMCNCOCPCQCRCSCTCUCVCWCXCYCZDADBDCDDDEDFDGDHDIDJDKDLDMDNDODPDQDRDSDTDUDVDWDXDYDZEAEBECEDEEEFEGEHEIEJEKELEMENEOEPEQERESETEUEVEWEXEYEZFAFBFC
<polyglotbot> ..FDFEFFFGFHFIFJFKFLFMFNFOFPFQFRFSFTFUFVFWFXFYFZGA...
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<Eevee> whoa
<Whiteknight> why are the ranges failing like that? is it bad bounds detection, or something worse?
<cjfields> not sure, I filed in in perl6 RT
<cjfields> perl6: say 'A'..^'Z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY␤]
<cjfields> that works, though
<cjfields> pmichaud: any ideas on rt#55916? (demo'd above)
<Eevee> hm
<Eevee> perl6: my $foo = 'aba'; say $foo.split('b');
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[aa␤]
<Eevee> perl6: my @foo = 'aba'.split('b'); say @foo;
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[aa␤]
<Eevee> perl6: my $bar = 'aba'; my @foo = $bar.split('b'); say @foo;
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[aa␤]
<cjfields> perl6: my @foo = ('a','a'); say @foo;
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[aa␤]
<Coke> perl6: "eeeek".say
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[eeeek␤]
<Eevee> it seems to only not work if the string I'm calling .split on is from an io iterator
<Eevee> if I replace it with an array it works fine
<Eevee> even though $_.WHAT is Str
<cjfields> there are a few instances of that.
<cjfields> perl6: my $a = 'A'; my $y = 'Y'; say $a..$y;
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY␤]
<cjfields> perl6: regex Test {(A)(Y)}; 'AY' ~~ Test; my $a = $0; my $y = $1; say $a..$y;
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[increment() not implemented in class 'String'␤current instr.: 'postfix:++' pc 10902 (src/gen_builtins.pir:7263)␤called from Sub 'parrot;Range;shift' pc 4485 (src/gen_builtins.pir:3062)␤called from Sub 'parrot;Range;list' pc 4453 (src/gen_builtins.pir:3044)␤called from Sub
<polyglotbot> ..'parrot;List;!flatten' pc 2225 (src/gen_builtins.pir:1594)␤called f...
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<Eevee> oh, does parrot have its own string type that's not quite a Str?  because I think that might be what =$fh returns
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<avar> parrot has 'string'
<Eevee> how could I get a Str out of that in PIR
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<Whiteknight> perl6: say 'A'..^'Y'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX␤]
<Whiteknight> perl6: say 'A'..^'Z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY␤]
<Whiteknight> perl6: say 'A'..'Z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZAAABACADAEAFAGAHAIAJAKALAMANAOAPAQARASATAUAVAWAXAYAZBABBBCBDBEBFBGBHBIBJBKBLBMBNBOBPBQBRBSBTBUBVBWBXBYBZCACBCCCDCECFCGCHCICJCKCLCMCNCOCPCQCRCSCTCUCVCWCXCYCZDADBDCDDDEDFDGDHDIDJDKDLDMDNDODPDQDRDSDTDUDVDWDXDYDZEAEBECEDEEEFEGEHEIEJEKELEMENEOEPEQERESETEUEVEWEXEYEZFAFBFC
<polyglotbot> ..FDFEFFFGFHFIFJFKFLFMFNFOFPFQFRFSFTFUFVFWFXFYFZGA...
<Whiteknight> perl6: say 'A'..'X'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX␤]
<cjfields> icky, huh?
<Whiteknight> perl6: say 'A'..'z'
<cjfields> uh oh
<Whiteknight> well, it's not even-odd failures, it's never easy
<Eevee> I think you broke it
<Eevee> I'm trying to figure that out too but debugging pir is harder when one doesn't know pir
* Whiteknight apologizes
<polyglotbot> No output (you need to produce output to STDOUT)
<Eevee> wow
<Whiteknight> i wonder how much output was produced on STDERR
<Eevee> you might have segfaulted it
<Eevee> I've had rakudo die when trying to say a whole lot
<Whiteknight> perl6: say 'z'..'A'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[␤]
<Whiteknight> perl6: say 'a'..'z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzaaabacadaeafagahaiajakalamanaoapaqarasatauavawaxayazbabbbcbdbebfbgbhbibjbkblbmbnbobpbqbrbsbtbubvbwbxbybzcacbcccdcecfcgchcicjckclcmcncocpcqcrcsctcucvcwcxcyczdadbdcdddedfdgdhdidjdkdldmdndodpdqdrdsdtdudvdwdxdydzeaebecedeeefegeheiejekelemeneoepeqereseteuevewexeyezfafbfc
<polyglotbot> ..fdfefffgfhfifjfkflfmfnfofpfqfrfsftfufvfwfxfyfzga...
<Whiteknight> okay, well we know it doesnt discriminate on different cases
<Eevee> perl6: say 'a'..'y'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy␤]
<Whiteknight> perl6: say '0'..'9'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[01234567891011121314151617181920212223242526272829303132333435363738394041424344454647484950515253545556575859606162636465666768697071727374757677787980818283848586878889␤]
<Eevee> perl6: say 'y'..'z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[yzaaabacadaeafagahaiajakalamanaoapaqarasatauavawaxayazbabbbcbdbebfbgbhbibjbkblbmbnbobpbqbrbsbtbubvbwbxbybzcacbcccdcecfcgchcicjckclcmcncocpcqcrcsctcucvcwcxcyczdadbdcdddedfdgdhdidjdkdldmdndodpdqdrdsdtdudvdwdxdydzeaebecedeeefegeheiejekelemeneoepeqereseteuevewexeyezfafbfcfdfefffgfhfifjfkflfmfnfo
<polyglotbot> ..fpfqfrfsftfufvfwfxfyfzgagbgcgdgegfggghgigjgkglgm...
<Whiteknight> perl6: say '0'..'8'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[012345678␤]
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<cjfields> I think I opened a big can of worms
<Whiteknight> Okay, the range isn't understanding class limits. 
<Eevee> perl6: say 'z' < 'z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[0␤]
<Eevee> er
<Eevee> perl6: say 'z' lt 'z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[0␤]
<Whiteknight> perl6: say '9'..'0'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[␤]
<pmichaud> Range doesn't yet recognize 'aa' as coming after 'z'.
<Eevee> perl6: say 'aa' gt 'z'
<Whiteknight> range doesnt yet recognize 'z' as a limit, only as a suggestion
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[0␤]
<Whiteknight> perl6: say 'x'..'z'
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[xyzaaabacadaeafagahaiajakalamanaoapaqarasatauavawaxayazbabbbcbdbebfbgbhbibjbkblbmbnbobpbqbrbsbtbubvbwbxbybzcacbcccdcecfcgchcicjckclcmcncocpcqcrcsctcucvcwcxcyczdadbdcdddedfdgdhdidjdkdldmdndodpdqdrdsdtdudvdwdxdydzeaebecedeeefegeheiejekelemeneoepeqereseteuevewexeyezfafbfcfdfefffgfhfifjfkflfmfnf
<polyglotbot> ..ofpfqfrfsftfufvfwfxfyfzgagbgcgdgegfggghgigjgkglg...
<pmichaud> so, after incrementing 'z', it gets 'aa' and since 'aa' is not yet past the end marker it keeps going.
<cjfields> but shouldn't the iterator stop when reaching .to? 
<pmichaud> it should stop when going *past* to.
<pmichaud>  we can't check for 'to' exactly.
<Eevee> pmichaud is correct
<Whiteknight> so that's the problem, that it doesnt know 'z' < 'aa'?
<Eevee> so the problem is in Str's lt
<pmichaud> nooooo
<pmichaud> because 'aa' lt 'Z'
<pmichaud> we need some specialized Range code for string ranges.
<Eevee> oh, boo, you're right.  it's late.
<pmichaud> from S03: If a range is generated using a magical autoincrement, it stops if the magical increment would "carry" and make the next value longer than the "to" value, on the assumption that the sequence can never match the final value exactly. Hence, all of these produce 'A' .. 'Z':
<pmichaud> 'A' .. 'Z' 'A' .. 'z' 'A' .. '_' 'A' .. '~'
<Eevee> how do I test for class in pir
<Eevee> or, wait
* Eevee scratches head
<Eevee> hacking in something special for strings seems gross
<pmichaud> I don't have a better solution at the moment.
<pmichaud> but at least it's easily factored
<pmichaud> i.e., it can be handled in the '!to_test' method
<cjfields> 'night all!
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<Eevee> my $y = $x; $y++; making $y less than $x is..  probably less than ideal..
<Eevee> hm
<Eevee> perl6: say 1..4.5
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[1234␤]
<Coke> perl6: say 10..0
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[␤]
<pmichaud> perl6: say 10..10
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[10␤]
<pmichaud> need sleep... bbl
<dalek> r28455 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Make 'a'..'z' and other string magic autoincrements work.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28455
<Eevee> oh ha I was trying to fix it
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<Eevee> pmichaud: still around?
<purl> nope.
<Eevee> oh you went to bed
<Eevee> ping anyone  :(
<purl> I can't find anyone in the DNS.
<PerlJam> yes?
<Eevee> http://pastebin.com/m426a6234 fixes io handles not producing perl 6 strings
<Eevee> if you or someone has a commit bit
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<Eevee> alas this was in vain anyway; rakudo segfaults not very far into the movie list
<dalek> r28456 | chromatic++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [distro] Updated NEWS per my commits.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28456
<dalek> r28457 | coke++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [distro]
<dalek> : Ignore some new generated files.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28457
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<Tene> Eevee: still up?
<purl> A direction away from the center of gravity of a celestial object. or the y-axis, unless you're using a strange coordinate system.
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<dalek> r28458 | fperrad++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [squaak]
<dalek> : - add some svn:ignore
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28458
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