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<smash> hello everyone
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<bacek> msg pmichaud If you'll have any chance, please, take a look at http://bacek.homeip.net/cgit/parrot/tree/languages/perl6/src/classes/List.pir?id=f06c5247dcb39bd2f1ab8fd23a297f12ff0a3eaf (It's my 'draft' of lazy lists)
<shorten> bacek's url is at http://xrl.us/cpx8y
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<bacek> yak.
<bacek> What is the problem with purl?
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<dalek> r28507 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] updating to trunk r28509
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28507
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<Eevee> rakudo patches go to parrotbug@parrotcode.org too, right?
<pmichaud> yes.
<pmichaud> or on the ticket that the patch is addressing.
<Eevee> didn't see one.  actually I'm wondering if I've misgrokked this problem; odd that nobody noticed
<kid51> pmichaud: Which patches go to rakudobug@parrotcode.org?  And which to parrotbug?
<dalek> r28508 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [rakudo]:
<dalek> : * Update docs/spectest-progress.csv to 2008-06-18.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28508
<Eevee> kid51: google doesn't think that email exists
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<Eevee> I know I keep crazy overthinking bugs I find and attempt to fix, but I'm wondering if this is just a general problem that parrot strings aren't getting promoted to Strs correctly
<pmichaud> string promotion to Str will be taken care of when we start using .HLL mapping.
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<pmichaud> i.e., Parrot will take care of it for us.
<Eevee> oh, then this isn't really necessary at all
<pmichaud> I don't know how soon we'll be able to switch to .HLL .
<pmichaud> although having P6object helps.  I could go ahead and start a branch for it.
<Eevee> I think this is the third time you've told me a problem I found will be fixed by .hll mapping
<DietCoke> pmichaud: might be helpful for you to write up (if you havne't already) how you expect that to work in case someone else with cycles can get to it.
<DietCoke> (i fyou have expectations, you may not)
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<pmichaud> I'm not sure how it's going to work.
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<dalek> r28509 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] Fix arena sweep functions
<dalek> : * Use macros instead of function calls in inner loop
<dalek> : * Better macro support for common tasks
<dalek> : * Mark items on free list as GC_IT_CARD_FREE
<pmichaud> it's one of those dark icky corners of parrot that (unfortunately) will likely spread itself throughout the compiler tools
<dalek> : * Fix initial state flag in GC initializer function
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28509
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<confound> should I write a git-svn section for http://www.parrotcode.org/source.html?
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<pmichaud> confound: yes.
<pmichaud> confound: even if it doesn't end up in source.html, I'm sure we'll want to make it available somewhere.
<Eevee> well that's a new one
<Eevee> set_pmc_keyed_str() not implemented in class 'RetContinuation'
<pmichaud> -G bug.
<pmichaud> (that's my bet.)
<Eevee> solving this np-complete problem in rakudo is hard
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<pmichaud> the -G bug problem?
<Eevee> no; in the interest of making some practical use of rakudo, I'm trying to solve ita's overlapping movie title problem with perl 6
<Eevee> (fsvo "practical")
<dalek> r28510 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] Small fixes
<dalek> : * Fix loop logic for gc_it_enqueue_next_root
<dalek> : * Kill reference to non-existant gc_it_reset_cards function
<dalek> : * Turn tracing disambiguation function into a macro
<dalek> : * Add some information about GC_finish_FLAG handling
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28510
<silug> so who here at yapc is most familiar with the parrot build system?
<silug> for some reason, the rpm is trying to install stuff to /usr/runtime/.  that's not right, and it isn't immediately obvious where that's coming from.
<confound> pmichaud: ok.  where should I put it and how should I write it?
<confound> I mean, what format
<Infinoid> silug: I'm not at yapc, but ... various things get installed into $(PARROT_SRCDIR)/runtime, and so that path is hardcoded all over the place.  and last I heard, "make install" didn't work very well at all, and was considered unsupported
<Infinoid> the project is really geared toward running directly out of the source tree
<Infinoid> (for now.)
<silug> Infinoid: yeah, i know it is hardcoded...  the rpm build does a bunch of s,runtime/,%{_lib},
<Infinoid> sounds beautiful :)
<silug> and it was all working a year ago.  :)
<silug> (i haven't tried to build the rpm since 0.4.13)
<Infinoid> so, the rpm build is now missing some s,runtime/, stuff?
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<silug> maybe.  but it is prepending /usr somehow
<Infinoid> isn't that just $(PREFIX)?
<silug> yeah, probably
<silug> grr...  should have realized it was that simple.
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<silug> ooh, i see what's happening.
<silug> i think
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<dalek> r28511 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] Small fixes
<dalek> : * Assorted spelling, comment, and whitespace issues
<dalek> : * Add a few PARROT_ASSERT statements to double check
<dalek> : * Cut cruft out of Parrot_gc_it_pool_init
<dalek> : * Fix pointer problems in gc_it_add_arena_to_free_list
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28511
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<NotFound> Problem: I've made a build with --ccflags=-O3 and all parrot test pass, but in rakudo spectest_regression fails
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<NotFound> perl6 make test also pass, forgot to say.
<dalek> r28512 | cotto++ | trunk:
<dalek> : added improved a gdbm test, making sure that the element count is consistent after a delete_keyed()
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28512
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<dalek> r28513 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Applying patch submitted by Seneca Cunningham in http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=52214.  Improve setting of flags in init::defaults, particularly re ppc vs i386.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28513
<dalek> r28514 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] create basic versions of the write barriers for the new GC
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28514
<japhb> Grrrr ... why is purl constantly going offline?
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<Whiteknight> lazy
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<dalek> r28515 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] Fix root item handling to account for items added to the queue between increments
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28515
<japhb> Anyone happen to know donaldh's email?
<moritz> is he one of the soc students?
<japhb> I dunno ... he was in here earlier this week with some cygwin fixes among other things.
<Whiteknight> he's not in CREDITS eitehr
<confound> ]/w 22
<smash> Whiteknight: anyone applied any patch from him ?
<Whiteknight> I haven't, no
<Whiteknight> and I dont know of anybody else who has
<japhb> smash: We're working through one of his patches in RT right now.
<japhb> But he nopasted it, rather than making an RT
<japhb> (himself, I mean)
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<smash> ok
<smash> if you apply it just remember to add him to credits
<confound> no one answered me earlier
<confound> if I wrote git-svn instructions for getting the parrot source, what format should they be in and where would I send them?
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<moritz> uhm, either the wiki that parrot uses, or POD + submit to docs/ (just guessing here)
<japhb> confound: docs/gettingstarted.pod?
<japhb> confound: (patch thereto, I mean)
<confound> does that end up at http://www.parrotcode.org/source.html?
<confound> oh, whatever.  gettingstarted.pod is probably fine
<confound> thanks
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<dalek> r28516 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Applying 2nd patch submitted in http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=55856.  This should clear up any uninitialized value warnings in t/steps/auto_readline*.t.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28516
<smash> confound: sorry, not sure.. but i think it's ok to send to parrot-porters
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<dalek> r28517 | jkeenan++ | handledarwin:
<dalek> : Branch has been merged into trunk and is no longer needed at HEAD.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28517
<dalek> r28518 | jkeenan++ | handledarwin-28441:
<dalek> : Branch to which this tag corresponded has been merged into trunk and tag is no longer needed.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28518
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<cjfields> pmichaud: checked backlog on #parrot, re: RT#55962, this is probably the same problem Eevee is describing
<cjfields> so it will have to wait for .hll mapping, my guess
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<ambs> where is purl?
<smash> ambs: sleeping
* smash off
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<dalek> r28519 | kjs++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [chitchat]
<dalek> : + update layout a bit to make it easier for the eyes (IMHO)
<dalek> : + add some action methods
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28519
<confound> smthanks
<confound> oops
<dalek> r28520 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : Remove trailing spaces.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28520
<Tene> Bah, kjs isn't here for me to talk to.
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<dalek> r28521 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [chitchat]
<dalek> : Add a MAINTAINER file.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28521
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<ovid> Cannot "make perl6" on OS X.  http://sial.org/pbot/31353  This is the latest subversion release.
<ovid> Is this the right room to ask this in?
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<pmichaud> ovid: it's the right place, but many of us are at lightning talks at yapc
<ovid> Fair enough :)
<NotFound> ovid: Did you do make first?
<ovid> For parrot?  Yes.  Even submitted a patch for the failing test :)
<NotFound> No, in the languages/perl6 directory.
<pmichaud> looks like a parrot issue.try make clean perl6
<confound> you shouldn't have to
<pmichaud> "make perl6" ought to build a lot of ohter stuff first.
<ovid> Yes.  Similar failure.
<NotFound> If i remember well, sometimes make perl6 does not attemtp to rebuild the pbc
<pmichaud> "make clean perl6" has the same failure?
<ovid> make clean perl6:  http://rafb.net/p/QhcQS915.html
<pmichaud> it starts with "../../parrot"
<pmichaud> is that all of the output or just the last lines?
<ovid> Just the last lines.  There was a ton of stuff before hand that I trimmed.
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<ovid> Should I paste it all?  Of course, if you're sitting in lightning talks, I understand if you want to pay attention to those.
<pmichaud> lightning talks are plagued by technical issues.
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<ovid> Er, should "make clean perl6" be run from the top directory or from languages/perl6?
<pmichaud> from languages/perl6 is what I meant.
<pmichaud> But you might try 'make realclean' from the top directory and rebuilding parrot.  That really looks like a parrot issue to me.
<confound> ovid: do all the parrot tests pass?
<ovid> That's where I ran it from where it failed.  
<ovid> confound: one TODO test passes and one coding standard test (trailing whitespace) fails.
<ovid> pmichaud: before you said "from languages/perl6", I started rerunning the "make clean perl6" in the top level directory and it ran a lot longer before getting teh same failure.  I'll try make realclean and rebuild parrot.
<NotFound> By the way, in the las build I have the message:  TODO passed: 157
<ovid> Same here.  It's a sprintf test.
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<dalek> r28522 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Plumhead]
<dalek> : Add support for 'else' in NQP actions.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28522
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<dalek> r28523 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [chitchat]
<dalek> : Set SVN properties for new file.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28523
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<schmalbe> Argh, 'svn commit' hangs again, but that might be a flakey connection
<confound> can I usefully send mail to parrot-porters@perl.org, or do I have to send to perl6-internals@?
<moritz> they are aliases
* confound figured
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<dalek> r28524 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] Make pobject_lives much more streamlined and efficient so I dont have to worry about calling it more. Fix up gc_it_mark_children_grey to be better, and kill duplicate code between these two functions.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28524
<dalek> r28525 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Plumhead]
<dalek> : Add 'scalar_assign' to the NQP actions.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28525
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<dalek> r28526 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Plumhead]
<dalek> : Add 'array_assign' to NQP actions.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28526
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<dalek> r28527 | bernhard++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [Plumhead]
<dalek> : Add support for string concatenation to the NQP actions.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28527
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<Whiteknight> holy cow, like 12 new rt tix in the past few hours
<cotto_yapc> woah
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<Eevee> good!  depending on your pov
<cotto_yapc> at least 4 are non-bugs
* moritz submitted one or two TODO-bugs
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<jonathan> Rakudo day tomorrow. :-)
* jonathan had hoped to get some hacking time on evenings too this week, but got sucked into @other_stuff.
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<Eevee> don't implement anything I could feasibly do  :P
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<Infinoid> the trick is to lazily evaluate @other_stuff
<Eevee> then it might never end
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<jonathan> Eevee: Could you feasibly implement type-parametrized roles?
<Eevee> yes, in the same sense that I could solve a packing problem
<Eevee> so please feel free
<jonathan> Damm! I can't offload the hard bit. :-P
<NotFound> chr - The character specified by codepoint integer $2 in the current character set is returned in string $1.
<NotFound> What is the "current character set"?
<Eevee> utf8
<Eevee> always
<Eevee> dammit
<Eevee> (no idea)
<NotFound> Actually nothing, because that is not what the opcode do.
<NotFound> What it does is: < 128 - ascii , < 256 - latin1 , else utf8
<Eevee> jonathan: so what's the easy bit?  :P
<jonathan> For roles? I think I already did those... ;-)
<jonathan> Elsewhere - really depends what you consider easy and hard.
<Whiteknight> what are type-parameterized roles
<Whiteknight> ?
<NotFound> And examples/shootout/mandelbrot.pir assumes that it will make a plain 1 byte encoding for 0-255.
<cjfields> Eevee: did we ever work out the String issue with IO?
<jonathan> If you're into I/O, then there's plenty of filling out of methods there. Not to mention network I/O, which we curently have nothing on in Rakudo.
<moritz> Eevee: if you're looking for something easy to do, implement .method_call, which defaults to $_ as the invocant
<moritz> Eevee: it seems to be parsed already, and $_ already exists
<Eevee> cjfields: io.readline is spitting out native strings, pmichaud said .hll mapping will fix it, not sure if it's worth cluttering code to hackfix it in the meantime?
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<jonathan> Whiteknight: role Foo[Bar] # a role Foo that also takes another type as a parameter do it, when you compose it
<cjfields> k
<cognominal> I just redefined a method in a grammar and did not see a warning/error
<jonathan> sldo/to/
<moritz> don't know if it's really easy though
<Whiteknight> johnathan, thanks
<Eevee> moritz: will have a look when I'm on something more powerful than a phone, hanks
<cognominal> is there a policy for that?
<Whiteknight> i'm not down with all this cutting-edge P6 lingo
<cjfields> The same problem exists with Match and split
<cjfields> filed an RT ticket yesterday on it
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<japhb> jonathan: A while back a few of us were asking for being able to use modules from non-Perl 6 namespaces.  What's still blocking that?
<Eevee> cjfields: what exactly is .hll mapping anyway  :(  apparently it will solve all problems and cure cancer
<Whiteknight> .hll?
<Whiteknight> .HLL?
<moritz> it's called "magic" everywhere else ;)
<cjfields> yes .HLL
<NotFound> Eevee: not all, a bunch are expecting redoing of PIO.
<japhb> Eevee: tells what type a High Level Language wants to see instead of the low level Parrot types, IIRC.
<Whiteknight> purl, .HLL is going to bring democracy to Myanmar
<Eevee> plane taking off &
<cjfields> yes, that's correct
<Eevee> ah
<cjfields> "I have suffered from ED, now I take .HLL..."
<Whiteknight> HA!
<Whiteknight> .HLL?
<Whiteknight> purl is the worst
<jonathan> japhb: As far as I'm aware, pmichaud was looking into it - last I heard the issue was that we needed some standard way to ask a certain HLL to load a module and put stuff into a namespace.
<japhb> Yes, and we discussed it for a while, and he said something along the lines of "OK, everything sounds reasonable", and then I haven't heard anything since.
<jonathan> I may be wrong, but my impression was pm had taken this to work on, and seemed to have what was needed in his head better than I, so I left off it.
<japhb> nod
<jonathan> Yes, I remember that being the conclusion.
<cjfields> The 'mismapping' issues (getting a String instead of Str) seem to be common enough
<jonathan> japhb: OK, pmichaud and I should clarify whether that's something he really wants to do, or if it's a task for the taking. I'm certainly keen for it to be done.
<cjfields> perl6: my @foo = 'AB'.split(''); say @foo; @foo[0]++;
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[AB␤increment() not implemented in class 'String'␤current instr.: 'postfix:++' pc 10973 (src/gen_builtins.pir:7331)␤called from Sub '_block11' pc 116 (EVAL_10:41)␤called from Sub 'parrot;PCT::HLLCompiler;eval' pc 806 (src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:469)␤called from Sub
<polyglotbot> ..'parrot;PCT::HLLCompiler;evalfiles' pc 1088 (src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:598)␤call...
<jonathan> We sure do need .HLL...
<Whiteknight> did the issue with string ranges get fixed since yesterday?
<cjfields> perl6: say 'A'..'Z';
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ␤]
<cjfields> yep
<Whiteknight> !!!
<Whiteknight> perl6++
<cjfields> pmichaud++
<Whiteknight> pmichaud++
<packy> Quick question: if I have a patch to the code that generates the makefile for Rakudo, should that be submitted to parrotbugs or to some bug tracker for Rakudo?
<moritz> packy: parrotbug@perl.org is fiine
<packy> (I found that MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET wasn't defined while doing a "make perl6", so I added code to define it)
<moritz> packy: that will open a ticket
<packy> Coo.
<Whiteknight> fo sho
<packy> I'll submit it once I'm sure it compiles.  :)
<jonathan> packy: Yes, as moritz said. It sounds like it's a general fix that will help other languages too. :-)
<moritz> maybe that also fixes ovids problem from earlier today
<packy> Well... I had to edit the root.in file for perl6.
<packy> I think we'd have to edit the base file for each language, but I can do that.
<jonathan> Ah, OK.
<Whiteknight> packy++
<dalek> r28528 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09:
<dalek> : [gsoc_pdd09] sprinkle "PARROT_ASSERT" liberally on everything.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28528
<moritz> if you edit stuff in other languages, send to parrotbug@perl.org instead
<Infinoid> moritz =~ s/perl.org/parrotcode.org/
<Infinoid> (or does @perl.org work now?)
<moritz> parrotbug?
<moritz> where's purl?
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<Tene> perl6: 'foo'.split('')[0].WHAT()
<polyglotbot> RESULT["Str"]
<Tene> perl6: 'foo'.WHAT()
<polyglotbot> RESULT["Str"]
<moritz> perl6: say 'foo'.split('')[0]
<polyglotbot> OUTPUT[f␤]
<japhb> Infinoid: did you ever get your OpenGL problems resolved?
<Infinoid> japhb: thanks for the reminder, now's a good time to try it
<japhb> excellent
<Infinoid> seems like just running one opengl app ruins it for everyone else.  time to switch back to a stable mesa.
<japhb> So glxgears broke it too?
<Infinoid> I ran /usr/lib64/misc/xscreensaver/glschool, which worked, but didn't work when I restarted it
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<japhb> ah
<pmichaud> (Str vs String vs Perl6Str):  In general I'd prefer to wait for .HLL mapping than to add a lot of workarounds that we'll later have to take out.
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<pmichaud> That said, if there are places where Parrot internals are leaking out that are likely to affect applications (as opposed to tests), then we can see about fixing those for now.
<pmichaud> packy:  In general, fixes for Rakudo should go to rakudobug@perl.org .  But if they go to parrotbug we'll switch them over (they both end up on the same rt system, although not the same queue).
<jonathan> pmichaud: Does getting .HLL working imply we need to worry about namespace stuff (hard/messy), or is there a way just to get the type mappings (much less messy)?
<pmichaud> ...namespace stuff?
<jonathan> As in, does a .HLL declaration automatically mean our set_hll_global and so forth starts referring to the perl6 HLL namespace rather than the parrot one?
<pmichaud> .HLL will cause rakudo's namespaces to be 'perl6', yes.
<pmichaud> we'll have to import the protoobjects and things we need from other namespaces.
<pmichaud> (or figure out how we want to reference them in other hll namespaces)
<pmichaud> since it affects almost the entire toolchain, I think it's something I prefer to do myself at this point.
<japhb> Which brings up my related question about using modules in other namespaces ...
<pmichaud> I see that as a different issue, actually.
<pmichaud> (maybe it's not a different issue, but thus far they don't have the same feeling to me.)
<japhb> It feels overlapping to me, at least.
<pmichaud> it maybe
<pmichaud> part of the difference:
<pmichaud> for most modules like, say, SDL or Postgres or OpenGL, those modules shouldn't have to be aware that they're being used by a separate HLL.
<pmichaud> however, the compiler tools (P6object, PCT, PGE) definitely have to be aware of the namespace in which they're being used
<pmichaud> if I use P6object to create a new class, it has to know how to create that class in the correct HLL namespace.
<pmichaud> (even though P6object itself is running in the 'parrot' hll namespace)
<japhb> nod
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<pmichaud> anyway, it's on my list of things to address in the relatively near future.
<pmichaud> I expect it to occur before PGE changes, for example.
<japhb> great!
<pmichaud> on the issue of loading non-Perl6 modules, I'd like to see that happen within the next two weeks.  Certainly before OSCON.
<pmichaud> I was hoping to be able to have a discussion about it here at YAPC::NA, but the people involved were all busy (including myself), so I suspect it'll happen via the mailing list.
<japhb> When is OSCON this year?
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<pmichaud> 3rd week July
<pmichaud> (but I'm on vacation for 5 days prior, so 2nd week July for HLL)
<pmichaud> certainly in time for the next Parrot release.
<pmichaud> ...unless we run across a huge stubmling block.
<cjfields> ...darned stubmling blocks...
<japhb> right
<pmichaud> sorry.  Gotta run, closing down here.
<pmichaud> bbl.
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<NotFound> Can someone test my last patch to #39930 and check if it is appliable to #50092 ?
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<Whiteknight> how often does the pugs repo get updated?
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<Whiteknight> ..nevermind, I'm watching it happen on #perl6
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<dalek> r28529 | Whiteknight++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [docs] major updates, revisions, and deletions for memory_internals.pod. More needed.
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28529
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<dalek> r28530 | japhb++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [OpenGL] shapes.pir: Split draw_objects; prep for pfx
<dalek> : * Split up long draw_objects routine
<dalek> : * Minor cleanups in pieces of draw_objects
<dalek> : * Placeholder quad for future particle effect
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28530
<dalek> r28531 | japhb++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [OpenGL] shapes.pir: track dt in time system; single particle in effect
<dalek> : * Refactor time subsystem to track dt
<dalek> : * Halve speed of rotations
<dalek> : * Calculate and draw single particle in "black hole" particle effect
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28531
<dalek> r28532 | japhb++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [OpenGL] shapes.pir: factor out particle updates
<dalek> : * Factor out particle update from particle draw routine
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28532
<dalek> r28533 | japhb++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [OpenGL] shapes.pir: Multiple particles in effect
<dalek> : * Add particles every so often, up to 1000 total
<dalek> : * Update and draw all particles
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28533
<dalek> r28534 | japhb++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [OpenGL] shapes.pir: More particle effect improvements
<dalek> : * Update particles only once per frame, not per draw
<dalek> : * Randomize particle spawn position and velocity
<dalek> : * Recycle particles that escape or get captured
<dalek> : * Tweak view and pfx angle/origin for visual interest
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28534
<dalek> r28535 | japhb++ | trunk:
<dalek> : [OpenGL] shapes.pir: Default to 500x500 window size
<dalek> diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=28535
<Whiteknight> !!!
<japhb> 'git svn dcommit' ftw
<Whiteknight> oh, i thought you were just a very fast typer!
<japhb> :-)
<japhb> update and try running shapes.pir now ... I've added a new "object" to the scene
* Whiteknight is all excited!
<Whiteknight> I still only see the triangle and the teapot
<japhb> you updated first to 28535?
<Whiteknight> svn update && parrot examples/opengl/shapes.pir
* apeiron smokes a parrot OpenBSD-style
<japhb> apeiron++
<japhb> Whiteknight: what does 'svn info' say?
<apeiron> VMWare is quite handy for this, in fact.
<Whiteknight> japhb, Last Changed Author: japhb, Last Chagned Rev: 28535
<Whiteknight> do I have to remake parrot or anything?
<japhb> ur?
<japhb> That's ... odd
<japhb> You shouldn't have to.  What's your platform again?
<Whiteknight> debian, ubuntu 8.04
<japhb> How long did you let it run?
<Whiteknight> a few seconds
<Whiteknight> why, does something magically appear?
<japhb> Try like half a minute -- it's a particle effect
<Whiteknight> ooooh, i like particle effects
<japhb> It should have been obvious earlier, but then I realize I knew where to look.  :-)
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<Whiteknight> reflections?
<Whiteknight> or were those always there?
<japhb> Those have been there for a while, but I did improve them somewhat
<japhb> Particle effect never appeared?
<Whiteknight> what's the particle effect i'm supposed to see? because I dont see anything
<japhb> grrr
<japhb> paste your glxinfo, please?
<Whiteknight> ...and if I wanted to do that, I would...?
<japhb> The glxinfo command is almost always installed on Unix-like operating systems that have OpenGL, so it should be there.
<japhb> And there's a nopaste script in tools/dev/nopaste.pl, so you can pipe it into that
<japhb> .oO( Perhaps I should write a cross-platform clone of glxinfo in PIR, and tell people to run *that* ... )
<Whiteknight> urg, what's the nopaste url? mines not working, I need to hit CPAN for some dependencies
<japhb> nopaste?
<clunker3> http://pasta.test-smoke.org/ or http://paste.husk.org/ or http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/ or http://rafb.net/paste or http://poundperl.pastebin.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/
<japhb> BTW, I don't think you need to hit raw CPAN for those dependencies -- since you're on a Debian clone, everything needed should be an apt-get away
<Whiteknight> http://rafb.net/p/7X3zbJ51.html
<japhb> Wow, SuperSavage?  Really?  That's history ....
<Whiteknight> yeah, this laptop was used back when I bought it
<Whiteknight> about two and a half years ago
<japhb> Hmmm, I've got a hunch.
<japhb> give me a sec here ...
<Whiteknight> just say it! my inferior technology is wasting time, decreasing performance, and probably giving me a virus
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<japhb> Line 592 of shapes.pir (the one that enables GL_POINT_SMOOTH).  Comment that out and try again, please.
<japhb> Whiteknight: I'd more expect you to get a virus from the used keyboard than the operating system.  :-)
<Whiteknight> i see it! it's like a blizzard thingy!
<Whiteknight> this is the happiest day of my life
<japhb> Wheee ...
<japhb> LOL
<Whiteknight> well, not quite, but it's still very fun
<japhb> You're easily pleased.  ;-)
<Whiteknight> it EXPLODED!
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<japhb> Now the question is how to detect that antialiased points are available or not ... or just work around the problem completely by going to textured quads
<japhb> The explosion effect is usually because of a large frame time, like when switching between windows in your window manager.  Due to humongous dt, the integration goes through the window and powie.
<japhb> Perhaps I should set a max dt ...
<Whiteknight> no, leave it. The explosion is awesome
<Whiteknight> in fact, make it do it more 
<japhb> just alt-tab a lot, you'll see it
<japhb> ;-)
<japhb> Another app redrawing itself tends to make X hickup
<Whiteknight> good job japhb, this is awesome
<japhb> thanks!
<cjfields> japhb++
<cjfields> pretty slick!
<japhb> :-)
<Whiteknight> japhb, what do you do? how did you get these mad opengl skillz?
<Whiteknight> job, open source work, deal with the devil?
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<japhb> Whiteknight: by day, I run a web site.  By night, I study graphics.  It's what I really would rather be doing for a $day_job, frankly.  :-)
<Whiteknight> it's still hot. good job
<japhb> thanks again
<Whiteknight> okay, i'm out for a bit. later
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<cotto_yapc> how long do RT replies take to get to the mailing list?
<Whiteknight> rand(days(10000))
<Whiteknight> i've been trying to figure that out myself
<cotto_yapc> goodie
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<diakopter> pmichaud: you around?
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