r29693 | pmichaud++ | trunk: : [rakudo]: spectest-progress.csv update: 102 files, 1799 passing tests diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29693 r29694 | fperrad++ | trunk: : [Lua] : - add gl & glut diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29694 % Ademan has joined #parrot bernhard.schmalhofer@gmx.de | Pipp: link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?pipp % masak has joined #parrot r29695 | fperrad++ | trunk: : [Lua] OpenGL : - some methods diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29695 % uniejo has left uniejo!~uniejo@193.88.64.250 % timbunce has left timbunce!~timbo@12.157.240.2 % gmansi has left gmansi!~gmansi@190.55.35.246 % timbunce has joined #parrot % timbunce has left timbunce!~timbo@12.157.240.2 how do I change the title of a ticket in RT? % uniejo has joined #parrot % Debolaz has joined #parrot % rblackwe has left rblackwe!rblackwe@where.is.allmydata.net % rblackwe has joined #parrot % uniejo has left uniejo!~uniejo@193.88.64.250 moritz: click on 'Grundlagen' or 'Basics', in the non-public ticket-view barney: thanks % gmansi has joined #parrot * barney is heading for a short vacation in http://www.soelden.com/ % uniejo has joined #parrot % barney has left barney!~bernhard@p549A08CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de % uniejo has left uniejo!~uniejo@193.88.64.250 % purl has left purl!~purl@florence.kuiki.net % purl has joined #parrot % uniejo has joined #parrot % bacek has left bacek!~bacek@mcas-151.usr.optusnet.com.au % donaldh has joined #parrot r29696 | fperrad++ | trunk: : [ICU] update with version 4.0 diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29696 * Patterner still has only 3.8... % ruoso has joined #parrot % uniejo has left uniejo!~uniejo@193.88.64.250 Daniel Ruoso | Inter-HLL Mapping Notes: link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?inter_hll_mapping_notes % Whiteknight has joined #parrot % uniejo has joined #parrot Daniel Ruoso | Inter-HLL Mapping Notes: link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index.cgi?inter_hll_mapping_notes % Whiteknight has left Whiteknight!~nobody@c-71-230-33-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net % Ademan has left Ademan!~dan@c-69-181-114-208.hsd1.ca.comcast.net % masak has left masak!~user@130.238.45.242 pmichaud: Yes, that's what I was trying to do. I didn't get very far, though. % masak has joined #parrot % pmurias has joined #parrot if i want to add a new backend to rakudo i should add it to the PCT? % cognominal has left cognominal!~cognomina@82.67.232.89 at what stage would your backend replace the old one? PAST? or POST? POST i plan to make rakudo emit sm0p instead of pir would it be possible to do this withought writing pir? you could write PASM or PBC instead ;-) seriously it would be possible to write it in p6 or an other *structured* high level language? r29697 | pmichaud++ | trunk: : [pct]: Add 'pow' opcode signature to PAST::Compiler diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29697 pmichaud: do you think it is feasible to write a PCT backend in perl6? % gryphon__ has joined #parrot % davidfetter has joined #parrot rakudo: multi foo($a) {say $a};foo(1); % iblechbot has left iblechbot!~iblechbot@217.16-dial.augustakom.net pmurias: on #parrot that's called 'perl6:', but polyglotbot doesn't update its repo very often perl6: say 4 OUTPUT[4␤] kp6: say 4 moritz: other implemenations are not tollerated here? ;) * tolerated pmurias: not a question of tolerance ;-) polyglotbot hosts parrot-based languages, in #perl6 p6eval hosts perl 6 implementations i see perl6: multi foo($a) {} OUTPUT[Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near "{}"␤current instr.: 'parrot;PGE::Util;die' pc 120 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:82)␤called from Sub 'parrot;Perl6::Grammar;eat_terminator' pc 22126 (src/gen_grammar.pir:2813)␤called from Sub 'parrot;Perl6::Grammar;statementlist' pc ..21139 (src/gen_grammar.pir:2450)␤called from Sub '... perl6: multi foo($a) {...} OUTPUT[Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near "{...}"␤current instr.: 'parrot;PGE::Util;die' pc 120 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:82)␤called from Sub 'parrot;Perl6::Grammar;eat_terminator' pc 22126 (src/gen_grammar.pir:2813)␤called from Sub 'parrot;Perl6::Grammar;statementlist' pc ..21139 (src/gen_grammar.pir:2450)␤called from Su... pmurias: at some point I expect to rewrite PCT in Perl 6, yes % pmurias has left pmurias!~pawel@static-78-8-208-43.ssp.dialog.net.pl % Debolaz has left Debolaz!~root@195.159.114.206 % uniejo has left uniejo!~uniejo@193.88.64.250 % pmurias has joined #parrot yes, it would be possible to create a PCT backend that emits something other than POST or PIR -- just need a replacement for PAST::Compiler (and yes, that can probably be written in Perl 6. I don't know what Rakudo would be missing to be able to do that "today", though.) % uniejo has joined #parrot Man, it sure would be nice if I could get the parrot rebuild to happen properly on feather3 I've tweaked it several times, and the 'svn up' is happening fine, but it doesn't actually rebuild. does it try? :) % uniejo has left uniejo!~uniejo@193.88.64.250 I'm not sure. can you redirect stdout/stderr to a temporary logfile? particl1: ping I'd offer to help, but I think I only have an account on feather1. I probably could. Infinoid: if you're willing to debug it for me, I'll give you an account there. sure, I'm willing username? username is the first entry? purl: forget username Tene: I forgot username infinoid you are Mark Glines particl1: latest draft of slides is at http://www.pmichaud.com/2008/pres/oscon-rakudo/ (suggestions from all welcomed) "Rakudo Consulting Group" - is there such a legal entity? ;-) http://www.rakudoconsulting.com/ wow (short answer: "yes") % kj has joined #parrot any clients yet? pmurias: s/Plumhead/Pipp/ in your presentation oh, yes, thanks. is chitchat far enough along to be mentioned? in the list of supported features, you could s/blocks/blocks and lambdas/ blocks in p6 are far more than in most other languages but then again, it should probably be listed in "mostly working" won't be long before I can get rid of those slides altogether, and just mentioned what doesn't work yet :-) ;) slides updating (slow hotel network connection) afk for a bit "nothing works right now as we are doing heavy refactoring..." ;) % davidfetter has left davidfetter!~davidfett@start.fetter.org % iblechbot has joined #parrot % timbunce has joined #parrot pmichaud: chitchat isn't far enough along to be mentioned. The grammar has properly parsed everything I've thrown at it, but that's about all. how can i see how many rakudo test pass didn't mean to ask that :( perl tools/test_summary.pl % particl1 has left particl1!~particle@12.157.240.2 I'm glad that question was asked, because I didn't know about test_summary.pl before :) % timbunce has left timbunce!~timbo@12.157.240.2 'make spectest_regression' lists skipped tests as passes, I think % confound has joined #parrot % masak has left masak!~user@130.238.45.242 % Theory has joined #parrot % timbunce has joined #parrot % ruoso has left ruoso!~ruoso@201.45.49.162 % particl1 has joined #parrot urgh. my week of technical oddity continues -- wireless is not working on my laptop :-( pmichaud: are you using the dreaded iwl4965 driver? no. Infinoid: I do. d'oh. no -- my wireless was working fine in the hotel, but at oscon it's not working at all Infinoid: it works all fine with linux-2.6.26, but with that kernel my sound doesn't work ;) moritz: I've had to put my ifconfig/iwconfig stuff into a shell loop, so it retries until the connection succeeds % cbrandtbuffalo has joined #parrot % Andy has left Andy!~Andy@64.122.195.246 % cbrandtbuffalo has left cbrandtbuffalo!~cbrandt@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % particl1 has left particl1!~particle@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Andy has joined #parrot % ^conner has joined #parrot % donaldh has left donaldh!~chatzilla@proxy-sjc-2.cisco.com <^conner> anyone going to the erlang talk? I wish I could Wow, that's a power staff listing: http://www.rakudoconsulting.com/staff.html % ruoso has joined #parrot % particl1 has joined #parrot pmichaud: when slide 3 is continued, "Parrot Foundation" disappears % iblechbot has left iblechbot!~iblechbot@ppp-62-216-196-117.dynamic.mnet-online.de % ^conner has left ^conner!~^conner@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Andy has left Andy!~Andy@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com pmichaud: slide 18 says "Jul 2008", slide 19 says "Jun 2008" % cbrandtbuffalo has joined #parrot % timbunce has left timbunce!~timbo@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Theory has joined #parrot % gmansi has left gmansi!~gmansi@190.55.38.59 % gmansi has joined #parrot % cognominal has joined #parrot % particl1 has left particl1!~particle@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % cbrandtbuffalo has left cbrandtbuffalo!~cbrandt@ellvpn14-209.cit.buffalo.edu pmichaud: smop "C-based VM" -> "C-based engine" ? % timbunce has joined #parrot % cognominal has left cognominal!~cognomina@16.214.64-86.rev.gaoland.net % iblechbot has joined #parrot % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Theory has joined #parrot is this nqjit error correction for pmichaud's presentation? % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % particl1 has joined #parrot % slightlyoff has joined #parrot % Theory has joined #parrot cotto_work: if we're late, pmichaud should have posted the slide deck earlier. :-) Besides, he does editor inheritance of his slide deck, so our changes now should help him for the next time he gives this talk cool. Where are they posted? http://www.pmichaud.com/2008/pres/ % slightlyoff has left slightlyoff!~slightlyo@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Ron has joined #parrot % kj has left kj!~IceChat7@193.1.100.105 % Andy has joined #parrot % timbunce has left timbunce!~timbo@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % cbrandtbuffalo has joined #parrot % Ivatar has joined #parrot % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % particl1 has left particl1!~particle@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Theory has joined #parrot % timbunce has joined #parrot % Ron has left Ron!~rblasch@91-113-50-76.adsl.highway.telekom.at % Ron has joined #parrot % Andy has left Andy!~Andy@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % kj has joined #parrot % Andy has joined #parrot % cbrandtbuffalo_ has joined #parrot % cbrandtbuffalo has left cbrandtbuffalo!~cbrandt@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % cbrandtbuffalo_ has left cbrandtbuffalo_!~cbrandt@ellvpn14-209.cit.buffalo.edu % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Andy has left Andy!~Andy@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % kasei has joined #parrot r29698 | moritz++ | trunk: : [rakudo] added S05-metasyntax/unknown.t to spectest_regression, Auzon++ : +6 passes diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29698 % timbunce has left timbunce!~timbo@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com wondering if anyone knows reasons why parrot would fail to configure on darwin (both HEAD and 0.6.4), or if my local config is to blame. % kj has left kj!~IceChat7@193.1.100.105 no guarantees, but you could nopaste the output here during config, ccflags seems to get set starting with "64" (which causes cc to die) something to do with -arch flag checking, i suspect, but didn't want to dig into it if it was a known problem. % apeiron has left apeiron!~apeiron@c-76-124-253-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net % rurban has joined #parrot % apeiron has joined #parrot kasei: if you could cutpaste your output into http://nopaste.snit.ch/, we'd love to take a look sure thing. let me re-run... (after clearing ARCHFLAGS, I got the build to continue) "kasei" at 24.195.199.16 pasted "Configure.pl failure (apparently due to ARCHFLAGS)" (48 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13643 well, having a c compiler would help i have a c compiler where is your gcc pointing to? like i said, clearing out ARCHFLAGS allows the build to succeed. weird. maybe it's at i386-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1 % contingencyplan has left contingencyplan!~contingen@cpe-76-186-27-146.tx.res.rr.com gcc is a series of symlinks that ends at /usr/bin/i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1 which is, afaik, the default on OS X. so we need a cc 64 -g -pipe -fno-common -no-cpp-precomp -Wdeclaration-after-statement -I/usr/local/include -pipe -fno-common -Wno-long-double -I./include -c test.c --verbose sounds like we need to not pass the "64" is that necessary? "64" shouldn't be an arg to cc there, so cc's output is kind of beside the point. yeah, it's an invalid argument, we've got some string handling wrong in config/ well, your ccflags start with 64... looks odd the ccflags start with 64 because of bad parsing of ARCHFLAGS (if I've understood what's going on correctly) so, what was your $ARCHFLAGS set to? "-arch i386 -arch ppc -arch ppc64 -arch x86_64" could you paste your perl -V also? everything before '-g' in the first Pre-check line oh man, OS X makes my brain spin that's a bundle for 4 archs? yes OS X compilers like to generate binaries for all possible platforms, all at once, in the same file "kasei" at 24.195.199.16 pasted "perl -V" (62 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13644 did you read the darwin hints file? there is the explanation no. is that config/init/hints/darwin.pm you're referring to? rurban: right, that's where the arch list comes from. but where does the 64 come from? =~ s/-arch\s+$arch//g is wrong first ppc is replaced, the ppc64, it shoudl be the other way round. interesting. reversing the order of @arches should fix that care to submit a bugreport? => @arches = qw(i386 ppc64 ppc x86_64); sure. link? ./parrotbug or just mailto:parrotbug@parrotcode.org sure. thanks for the help tracking that down. kasei: does it fix anything when you reverse the arch order in that line? subject: [BUG] darwin hints with -arch ppc64 I'm sure that will fix it, please try that. yes, that fixes it. if you care you can also attach the patch then. r29699 | coke++ | trunk: : [smolder] This test has been consistently failing on at least one netbsd : system. Silence it for now. : http://smolder.plusthree.com/app/public_projects/report_details/2533#first_failure diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29699 coke is not at OSCON? kasei: is that the default darwin9 perl? afaik, yes why? because I wonder why nobody before reported that failure it should have failed for everybody. the default system doesn't set the ARCHFLAGS to build for all four archs. hmm which can lead to building libraries that don't work with some of the system apps. % sjansen has joined #parrot % ruoso has left ruoso!~ruoso@201.45.49.162 will ./parrotbug allow me to attach a file, or should I inline the diff? http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=699670 maybe somebody else from the rakudo crowd (jonathan, pmichaud, particle) wants to comment on that? kasei: I don't see a command line option for attachments. first submit and then go the link and attach it in the tracker. but since its so short you can also inline it. rurban: when I asked you for a fixed patch for pbc_to_exe_gen.pl, you sent me a patch which you said contained changes for a second ticket. what was the other ticket number? and are there additional changes I should incorporate before checking it in? r29700 | moritz++ | trunk: : [rakudo] added S05-metasyntax/changed.t to spectest_regression, Auzon++ : +10 pass, +3 todo tests diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29700 moritz: I have both pugs and parrot-perl6 working fine under windows. Infinoid: wait a sec... hmmm... wait a sec... is purl one of those answer bots? rurban: with a 5.10er perl? (pugs, that is?) yes, 5.10 pugs is via cabal ok, I'll update my post I've packaged it cygwin, perl6 is removed since it was buggy, I cannot release pugs, because it's too hard to bootstrap automatically. the new parrot update in a few days will again contain a fine perl6: parrot-perl6-0.6.4-2 rurban: do you have an inofficial cygwin repo for pugs? sorry no. just a huge 15mb /usr/local/bin/pugs.exe when I have more time I could make a package at my own setup site. no hurry, just being curious but I have so many ghc fixes to make, and I submitted some of them. well, with the pre-compiled win32 ghc everything worked fine. but then I started to port it to cygwin. and then I got stuck. % masak has joined #parrot Infinoid: I have no ticket yet for the object vs libs order. I just played with it and asked the mailing list. the problem is that the windows linker is not so forgiving as the linux linker. ok, thanks. any objection to my checking it in? are heredocs still '<<' in Perl 6? seems that would clash with hyper ops. % Ron has left Ron!~rblasch@91-113-50-76.adsl.highway.telekom.at S02:3023 thanks no, please check it in. better than nothing. moritz: how implemented are they? About the design: I rather will change it sooner or later for --install to be the first arg, so that you can merge multiple pbc's into on exe sooner or later. but for now it is consistent with the other tool which also takes --install as last arg. and as-is, it'll give people something to play with masak: I think TimToady++ added them to STD.pm the other day. I don't think rakudo does any heredocs (dunno about pugs) And one more thing: the limitation for no directory is annoying, it should use some pir match() code to put the installable_ to the basename only. but I haven't understood that part yet. moritz: oki % Andy has joined #parrot matches the results of my experiments so far :) % timbunce has joined #parrot btw. re pbc merging. I could not merge the lua pbc's to a self-hosting exe. masak: what are you experimental pugs results? is there a tricky merge order for the pbc's to follow? you know, I've done the majority of the work in the pdd13pbc branch so far, and I still don't understand .pbc files at all. :P r29701 | infinoid++ | trunk: : [pbc_to_exe] Commit patches from Reini Urban in RT #57188. rurban++ : * Add an optional --install flag to pbc_to_exe. : * Add a rule to the rakudo Makefile to generate an installable perl6 binary. diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29701 moritz: that pugs has'em I just tried pugs -e 'say q:to/END/;\nhi\nEND' (where the \n are real newlines), and that worked ok, cool % rurban_ has joined #parrot r29702 | infinoid++ | trunk: : [rakudo] : Followup to r29701, add installable_perl6 to the $CLEANUP list. diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29702 % rurban has left rurban!~chatzilla@212-183-53-211.adsl.highway.telekom.at % rurban_ is now known as rurban % cbrandtbuffalo has joined #parrot hi all hi jonathan Infinoid: we shoudl also think about general install targets for all makefiles. the group so's, the binaries, the pir, the docs. I accidentally found myself writing `push @in, $_ while =$*IN` in rakudo, and it segfaulted rurban: and tests for whether installing them works, too rurban: patches welcome :) it works better with `for =$*IN` :) sure :) the installable_ tests are the hard part. for most langauges I already have the targets. but I'm still thinking of submitting a rakudo bug Now I'm cherry picking which parts go where to in the DESTDIR % cbrandtbuffalo_ has joined #parrot does `... while =$*IN` have any discernably meaningful semantics in Perl 6? or should it perhaps give a warning? And I have pod2man orgies for all language binaries. This would be needed for debian and gentoo also. awesome. was there never the idea to use the new perl6doc format for the standalone utils/langs? rurban: perl6doc isn't even really specced % Theory has joined #parrot rurban: Damian wrote up a spec which was heatedly discussed on p6l rurban: I'm looking at #57110 and #57112, your patches for ncurses and postgres. I don't have cygwin, so I can't test them, but ... they're just patches to try alternate names for the cygwin versions of those libraries, right? if so, it looks pretty safe. but I found a nice old implementation at CPAN rurban: and then he (Damian) that he needed some time thinking, and stalled it sure. no magic. pretty safe % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % cbrandtbuffalo has left cbrandtbuffalo!~cbrandt@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com but it's almost complete rurban: yes, he also wrote a module (which wasn't bad), but because of the non-finalness it never really gained popularity anyway, 'm fine with old perl5 docs. so I can use pod2html and pod2man. re damian: I really have to bug him to give me comaint for some of his old B modules. They need to be updated for 5.10 and 5.11 ByteCache for sure. oops, that was simon. he is still around. easy % particl1 has joined #parrot masak: If you make it segfault, file a bug report. That is never the right thing. r29703 | infinoid++ | trunk: : [runtime library] Apply patch from rurban++ in RT#57110. : * Cygwin has renamed the ncurses libraries; fall back to trying the cygwin names if the normal library names fail. diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29703 r29704 | infinoid++ | trunk: : [runtime library] Apply patch from rurban++ in RT#57112. : * Cygwin has renamed the postgres libraries; fall back to trying the cygwin names if the normal library names fail. diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29704 jonathan: oki * masak files % Theory has joined #parrot Infinoid: we've renamed the pg lib on purpose so that the mingw folks don't fall in our trap. or vice versa. that's a very messy problem... the real messy probloem is the versioning without hardlinks as on unix. and parrot may still fall into mingw's trap, given that it tries the normal names first oops. I have think about that. ...or will loadlib fail and return undef, and allow the pir to continue trying the other name? ...and I have to write slower... I wanted to check that in library.c with simple stat() calls. it would be great if mingw builds and cygwin builds could both DTRT here but now I think I will take the path checking the importlib first, because that never has any numbers. and from the importlib I easily find the correct dll. This works best for all windows builds. cygwin, mingw, msvc. and the libs are always at a specified path, the dll's not so. masak: things :-) If you always rely on driving directions from a 4 year old kid, you always end up at the ice cream shop. that's what $PATH management in win32 reminds me of pmichaud, another interested parties: will do Rakudo day on Friday this week, all being well. (Been a bit of a week...by Friday I'll have had three trips to the doctors... :-|) r29705 | moritz++ | trunk: : [rakudo] dynamic x_label_skip in tools/progress-graph.pl diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29705 Infinoid: i *just* talked to somebody at microsoft who wants to help us solve any windows problems we have with parrot great. does that include cygwin? :) including library loading w/ cygwin msys etc awesome! That's not awesome, that's par for the course at best. Are you from NZ purl, forget awesome particl1: I forgot awesome we don't really have technical problems, do we? purl, you're stupid particl1: what? It just have to be specced and agreed on. % teknomunk has joined #parrot If they could implement a standard versioning system for libraries so our 3 flavors could fetch the right flavors of library, we sure wouldn't complain. while we're at it, see how they feel about putting libraries in /usr/lib/ :) again another version to version dll's? rather not ms has the tradition to use only major without any - or _ or . that's just fine. cygwin/X uses -1.3.2.dll Forcing to use ENV{LIB} for the MS case is also fine. Similar to the java classpath. i don't know how much help we can get from ms, but it'd be nice to have them involved in the conversations with cygwin/msys folks No FS standards are also good standards sure. heh. I was only joking with those suggestions. all I know is, if everything worked today, we wouldn't be talking about this. :) MS should rather help us with Bob Rogers' problems which problems are those? rakudo: class A; my A $a .= new perl6: class A; my A $a .= new OUTPUT[./parrot: error while loading shared libraries: libparrot.so.0.6.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory␤] particl1: http://rgrjr.dyndns.org/perl/acsip/actions.html polyglotbot: that's not good anyways, should the above work? on my computer, it gives the error "Method 'ACCEPTS' not found for non-object" particl1: in short pushaction hm, and `class A {}; my A $a .= new` gives 'get_bool() not implemented in class 'A'' I think this calls for another bug report... masak: it tries to determine some kind of value for $a - see #perl6 masak: Does it work with new() jonathan: nope another error, tho' That's not good. indeed not my A $a .= new() has worked in the past. The fact it's stopped working means we're missing a test. yes. jonathan: it didn't stop working % cbrandtbuffalo_ has left cbrandtbuffalo_!~cbrandt@ellvpn14-209.cit.buffalo.edu ./rakudo -e 'class A {}; my A $a .= new; say 1' 1 Oh. it just can't print out a representation of $a yes, I get that too OH! So it's not .= that is...right. but even on the command line I get this error and then I'm not trying to print anything masak: in the REPL? no, -e perl6 -e 'class A {}; my $a = A.new()' it somehow treats the last expression spcially also '.new' w/o parens, also '.= new' *that's* a subject for a bug report * masak files this is fun! :> % particl1 has left particl1!~particle@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % pmurias has left pmurias!~pawel@static-78-8-208-43.ssp.dialog.net.pl moritz: I don't much use the REPL any more. we didn't see eye to eye on things. % slightlyoff has joined #parrot % slightlyoff has left #parrot % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % teknomunk has left teknomunk!~teknomunk@r74-195-239-111.stl1cmta01.stwrok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net % japhb has left japhb!~geoff@76-191-190-8.dsl.static.sonic.net % rurban has left rurban!~chatzilla@212-183-62-74.adsl.highway.telekom.at r29706 | coke++ | trunk: : [tcl] We are now, and have always been, targeting tcl 8.5.3. diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29706 % Theory has joined #parrot % julian_ has joined #parrot % iblechbot has left iblechbot!~iblechbot@ppp-62-216-207-40.dynamic.mnet-online.de % teknomunk has joined #parrot % Theory has left Theory!~Theory@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % japhb has joined #parrot % masak has left masak!~user@nl119-201-126.student.uu.se % cout has left cout!~cout@c-68-58-247-49.hsd1.sc.comcast.net r29707 | coke++ | trunk: : [tcl] After 'make tclsh', remove the intermediate tcl.c and tcl.o files on 'make clean' diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29707 NotFound: people from #linux are requesting your attention .. % Andy has left Andy!~Andy@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % Ivatar has left Ivatar!~graham@tu055.demon.co.uk r29708 | coke++ | trunk: : [tcl] http://code.google.com/p/partcl/issues/detail?id=58 : Eliminate some more __foo style sub names diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29708 % teknomunk_ has joined #parrot % Whiteknight has joined #parrot % timbunce has left timbunce!~timbo@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % teknomunk has left teknomunk!~teknomunk@r74-195-239-111.stl1cmta01.stwrok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net % cotto_work has left cotto_work!~cotto@tide504.microsoft.com % cotto_work has joined #parrot r29709 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09: : [gsoc_pdd09] update to trunk r29708 diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29709 % Limbic_Region has joined #parrot % Andy has joined #parrot coke, ping % ruoso has joined #parrot % cognominal has joined #parrot % gryphon__ has left gryphon__!~gryphon@dsl-209-221-185-54.zipcon.net % Andy has left Andy!~Andy@ip131.fa1-0-1.occ.iinet.com % DietCoke has joined #parrot cotto_home: yes? is your windows build env working? I haven't checked in some time. Strawberry perl? r29710 | coke++ | trunk: : [tcl] http://code.google.com/p/partcl/issues/detail?id=58 : Eliminate some more __foo style sub names diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29710 I just would like a patch tested. Sure. Let me re-up and clean and test, and then test with the patch. URL? http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=46681 (strerror_7.patch) ... That's a most annoying stomach cramp. Ow. to test, just run t/pmc/file.t thanks! I think I'll test in the msvc world. More likely to squawk. % Theory has joined #parrot salutations all hio IIRC, you do DreamWeaver development in your meatspace life right? ... ColdFusion. yeah, that's it (I understand you can actually do dreamweaver development, but for me, it's like 'vi'. =-) dare I wonder why you ask? =-) well, I posted something on use.perl kind of as a joke I also have been known to be paid for C++, Java, ... url? but also because I wanted to try and quantify how much free time I don't have anymore http://use.perl.org/~Limbic+Region/journal/36996 % particl1 has joined #parrot ... wait a minute. COTTO is asking me to run tests on WINDOWS!? * DietCoke senses something terribly wrong with the universe. heh % timbunce has joined #parrot well, the point of the post and the point of the question is trying to figure out if I am just missing something obvious people who have more responsibilities than me are far more productive but I can't seem to figure out how they do it I often work on parrot because it's the most interesting thing on my plate. This may say more about my plate than our parrot. so - you having a real job that wasn't paying for parrot development qualified for my "how do you do it" lead in AH! I was trying to figure what the hell you were getting at. =-0