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<obra> profound apologies, but it looks like I'm going to miss the sketch again this week.
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<obra> profound apologies, but it looks like I'm going to miss the sketch again this week.
<pmichaud> np, obra, I think we can cover it
<obra> Thanks :)
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<allison> I carefully planned my flights so I'd be free and have internet access on Tuesday, but forgot to account for the time change that makes Tuesday Wednesday, so I'll miss the meeting today. :(
<allison> - The biggest thing I did this week was pair-program a prototype object model with Sam Vilain. I'm pleased with the result: it's simple, but offers the flexibility to implement complex metamodels.
<pmichaud> I like it also
<allison> - I'm currently rolling the results of that prototype into the objects PDD.
<allison> - The next step is to port the prototype to C PMCs. tewk++ has offered to contribute to that.
<allison> pmichaud: glad to hear it
<tewk> Yep
<tewk> pmichaud: CodeString PMC should now work.  It may need some performance tuning and should eventually be moved to src/pmcs I think.
<pmichaud> tewk: excellent!  Do we have a test suite for it yet?  I could see about building one
* allison is boarding her flight now
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<tewk> Nope, I just changed PGE::CodeString to CodeString in pge and tge and added .loadlib pge where needed.
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<pmichaud> okay, I'll work on a test suite for it
<pmichaud> I'll be very interested to see performance improvements :-)
* pmichaud adds codestring to his "to do" list
<tewk> I has some GC errors, but I can't recreate them.
<tewk> We should probably add a grow size call to the string, but other than that it should perform well.
<pmichaud> I'm going to end up being a bit late to #parrotsketch today -- have another errand to run
<pmichaud> my report is basically that I worked mostly on design and background reading for parrot this week -- very little coding took place
<pmichaud> thanks to Coke++ I have some much better insights and ideas about implementing end blocks and use statements
<pmichaud> so I should be able to do those quickly now
<pmichaud> all that remains after that is for loops and class objects/symbols
<pmichaud> also, Larry sent me his ideas about how the perl 6 grammar ought to look, and I'm working on those
<pmichaud> eor
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<chromatic> Anyone here?
<PerlJam> I'm here, but I don't count :-)
<PerlJam> allison says she's going to miss, pmichaud says he'll be late  FYI
<PerlJam> oh, and obra is going to miss too
<chromatic> I have Allison and particle's reports.
* PerlJam relurk &
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<chromatic> Let's give Patrick five more minutes.
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<chromatic> Alright, let's get started.
<chromatic> particle says:
<chromatic> ~ more review of PDD22: notes sent to allison, TODO tests committed
<chromatic> ~ started review of PDD21: tests committed. this is ongoing work
<chromatic> ~ started review of compilers/smop/
<chromatic> Allison says:
<chromatic> :(
<chromatic> - The biggest thing I did this week was pair-program a prototype object model with Sam Vilain. I'm pleased with the result: it's simple, but offers the flexibility to implement complex metamodels.
<chromatic> - I'm currently rolling the results of that prototype into the objects PDD.
<chromatic> - The next step is to port the prototype to C PMCs. tewk++ has offered to contribute to that.
<chromatic> chromatic says:
<chromatic> I prototyped a PBC to C converter.  Okay, it just encodes PBC in a C source file, but if you have libparrot, you can create more-or-less standalone applications.
<chromatic> I don't know if it has endianness issues; I haven't tried it on a BE platform, but I believe I can fix it if it does.
<chromatic> Who's next?  Alphabetical order.
<chromatic> Or I can pick.
<chromatic> bernhard?
<chromatic> No bernhard.
<chromatic> Leo?
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<pmichaud> hello
<chromatic> Hi.
<chromatic> Looks like you're up.
<pmichaud> my report is basically that I worked mostly on design and background reading for parrot this week -- very little coding took place
<pmichaud> thanks to Coke++ I have some much better insights and ideas about implementing end blocks and use statements
<pmichaud> so I should be able to do those quickly now
<pmichaud> also, Larry sent me his ideas about how the perl 6 grammar ought to look, and I'm working on those
<pmichaud> for getting 01-sanity to pass, after end-blocks and use all that is left is for loops and bareword classnames
<pmichaud> eor
<chromatic> Great!
<chromatic> smash?
<smash> chromatic: not used to be a speaker, sorry
<chromatic> You have commit privileges, so you can report if you like.  If not, that's okay too.
<smash> nothing to report, sorry
<chromatic> Okay, that's fine.
<chromatic> tewk?
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<chromatic> Guess not.
<chromatic> Okay.  Are there any questions, concerns, or random puns?
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<pmichaud> not from me -- I'm just blocking on energy and time
<chromatic> Ditto.
<chromatic> Do you have workarounds or fixes for everything you need for the next week or two?
<pmichaud> as far as I know, yes
<pmichaud> it's really just energy and time for me :-)
<chromatic> Our next bugday is the 17th, I believe... so nothing coming up special befor the next meeting.
<pmichaud> correct, bugday is the 17th, and I'm on the hook for the february release
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<chromatic> Ahh, now bernhard is on the hook to report, if he likes.
<smash> european hackathon ? anyone thinking of attending ?
<bernhard> toying with Plumhead
<bernhard> I'm coming
<pmichaud> bernhard: is Plumhead using past-pm/partridge ?
<bernhard> Yes, that's one of the three variants
<bernhard> The other variants are ANTLR3 parsing and XSLT on output from phc
<pmichaud> any comments on past-pm design or how well it might work for plumhead?
<bernhard> PAST-pm looks pretty sane so far.
<bernhard> I take the easy route, looking at --target=past from languages/perl6
<bernhard> Otherwise I'd love the tree transformation from ANTLR3 in Partridge
<pmichaud> the easy route is the good one :-)
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<bernhard> http://www.antlr.org/wiki/display/ANTLR3/Tree+construction
<pmichaud> I'll have to take a look at that someday
<chromatic> Next question... conference proposals.  Who did and what?
<pmichaud> I proposed a talk on Parrot's compiler tools (includes a complete example of language translation from source to executable)
<chromatic> Ergh.  Me too.
<pmichaud> and I proposed a talk on the status of Perl 6
<pmichaud> we could combine our compiler tools talks, if you like, or I can withdraw mine
<chromatic> I'm sure Allison will harangue us both at some point.
<pmichaud> I don't know if a talk was proposed on the overall state of parrot
<smash> which conference are you talking about ?
<pmichaud> oscon
<smash> oh, k
<pmichaud> I couldn't remember what had been discussed in the previous week about parrot talks, so I just made proposals and figured we'd clean them up later
<chromatic> Yeah, OSCON's easy that way.
<bernhard> For the records: Leo and Jonathan are presenting at the German Perl Workshop im Munich
<pmichaud> Ideally I'd like to do two talks.  I'm easy as to what I talk about :-)
<chromatic> I just want to do one, and co-presenting is fine.
* pmichaud reviews last week's #parrotsketch, and sees....
<pmichaud> <|> 14:32:27 < chromatic> I could do the Parrot overview talk.
<pmichaud> I know that particle wanted to do a talk as well, but didn't have a topic in time for the deadline
* pmichaud wishes he had come up with some good ideas for particle
<smash> well, i'm working on a smal introductory presentation for our local techmeeting about parrot, comments would be nice: http://nrc.homelinux.org/parrot/parrot.pdf
<chromatic> Hm.  Okay, I submitted the wrong one.
<pmichaud> np
<pmichaud> perhaps just write to Vee and see if you can switch one of our talk descriptions :-)
<chromatic> I'll talk to Allison too; she can review them beforehand.
<pmichaud> okay.  whatever you and Allison want to work out is likely to be fine with me -- I'm easy and flexible
<chromatic> It sounds like we've wrapped up.  Shall we move to #parrot?
<pmichaud> yes -- I have to run some more errands now anyway (today is full of errands :-| )
<pmichaud> see you all on #parrot (later)
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