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<chromatic> Without an explicit moderator, I'll do it.
<chromatic> Let's go in alphabetical order.
<chromatic> ALLISON
<allison> - Went back after the release and made a few more sanity fixes to ResizableBooleanArray.
<allison> - continued working on PMC PDD
<allison> - thanks to jonathan for his comments
<allison> EOR
<chromatic> CHROMATIC
<chromatic> I fixed a lot of bugs.
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<chromatic> I cleaned up some memory leaks.  string_to_cstring() sucks, but it's workaroundable even in internal_exception().
<mdiep> chromatic++ # finding memory issues
<chromatic> I have cleaned a fair pile of code to PDD 07 standards.  There is much more to do.
<chromatic> EOF
<chromatic> COKE
<Coke> No real report. Minor docs & very small test cleanups. I have jonathan's report.
<chromatic> JONATHAN PROXY
<chromatic> (that's your cue, Coke)
<Coke> curses. Give me a moment.
<Coke> Hi, 
<Coke> Can't make Parrot Sketch today, sorry. Not much to report either... 
<Coke> * Wrote up my thoughts with regard to the PMCs PDD and sent it off to the list 
<Coke> * Fixed a C89 non-compliance that broke the build in some platforms 
<Coke> * Answers various things on the mailing list 
<Coke> It's been fun working on Parrot more over the last couple of months. I'm stepping away again for a while now, though this time for a happy reason: to go backpacking around Scandinavia and Russia. I'll get stuck back in on my return, towards the end of May. 
<Coke> Jonathan 
<Coke> EOR
<chromatic> LEO
<chromatic> MDIEP
<mdiep>  - Released 0.4.11!
<mdiep>  - Checked in arg rewrite patch (#40490)
<mdiep>  - Deprecated enter_nci_method in favor of register_nci_method (#40801)
<mdiep>  - Closed a bunch of resolved tickets in RT
<mdiep>  - Applied some patches from RT (hoping to empty the queue)
<mdiep> ^D
<chromatic> PARTICLE
<particle> ~ helping to get things set up for the toronto hackathon this weekend 
<particle>   it'll be nice to have more folks introduced to parrot 
<particle>   if TODO or CAGE tasks spring to mind, please create tix asap
<particle> ~ talked to nothingmuch about metaobject stuff. 
<particle>   his MO impl is quite nice: http://nothingmuch.woobling.org/MO/
<particle> ~ blocking on what looks to be a PCCMETHOD bug, but it could be more general
<particle> .end
<mdiep> particle: is there a ticket open for that bug?
<particle> yes, i'll get the number
<particle> #42693
<chromatic> PMICHAUD
<pmichaud> * Had various legal-related things this past week (jury duty, company filings, etc.)
<pmichaud> * Working on generators/iterators this week
<pmichaud> * Following the various threads re string allocation and memory usage
<pmichaud> * Daily smoke on my x86_64 seems to be functioning well
<pmichaud> * I can set up daily smokes for other configurations (e.g., C++) if/when people are ready for those
<pmichaud> * Still wanting to take a lood at pdd15 in detail
<pmichaud> * Still looking at S05 implications for PGE
<pmichaud> EOR
<chromatic> TEWK
<chromatic> Did I miss anyone?
<leo_> Hi - nothing to report - did just some mails on the list
<chromatic> Always appreciated, though.
<leo_> thanks
<chromatic> Okay.  Now we have time for observations and open questions.
<chromatic> Observation: discussing source code (even hairy source code) on the list gets people excited, especially people who haven't contributed much before.
<chromatic> I'm a big fan.  Other thoughts?
<mdiep> Refactoring the C code and adding lots of comments is A Good Thing (tm)
<pmichaud> I'm a huge fan also
<particle> replacing TODO comments with tix is a Good Thing
<chromatic> Okay, maybe we can try for public review of one source file per week.  I like src/pmc/orderedhash.pmc for this week, as I think there's a problem with its cloning.
<pmichaud> even though I've had to skip many of the threads, it's terrific to see them there.  It's inspiring me to do the same for perl6 (which, admittedly, I should have been doing long ago)
<chromatic> I also highly recommend skimming the commit mails, if you have time.
<chromatic> you == all y'all
<chromatic> Are there any questions?
<mdiep> Q: anyone have any Parrot C code they'd like to see refactored?
<jisom> what if we had a daily or weekly repository for smoking, so that periodic smoking can all use the same revision easily?
<chromatic> I do.
<chromatic> src/*.c, src/gc/*.c, compilers/imcc/*.[cyl]*
<mdiep> :-p
<jisom> no src/pmc/*.pmc?
<chromatic> Most of the PMCs are decent, because most of them have little code.
<jisom> yeah, except complex.pmc :(
<mdiep> anything *specific* you'd like to see refactored?
<chromatic> Typedef all structs.
<particle> typedef++
<chromatic> Use mem_allocate_typed() wherever possible.
<pmichaud> jisom: I'm smoking daily on my x86_64 box -- results are in http://smoke.parrotcode.org/smoke/  (x86_64-linux-ccache)
<particle> it'd be great to add these as CAGE/TODO tasks
<chromatic> jisom, what benefits do you see from using the same revision for smokes?
<jisom> guarantee that they're running the same source tree
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<chromatic> Does that give us any extra information that we lack right now?
<particle> without a tool to compare smokes, it's not that much more useful
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<jisom> analyzing the smokes isn't easy
<jisom> pmichaud, what compiler are you using?
<pmichaud> gcc via ccache
<pmichaud> (gcc 4.1.2)
<pmichaud> I've tried compiling with g++ a few times "just for fun", but it doesn't work at the moment
<jisom> and looks like the same failures I'm getting, minus complex.t -0.0 issues, but I'm running freebsd
<chromatic> Before we get mired in details, are there are any other questions we need to address here rather than in #parrot specifically?
<particle> steve_p is actively addressing these issues
<Coke> Wondering if the folks organizing toronto hackathon need any pointers on things that need doing? particle, you said you were on that?
<particle> i'm providing info on building parrot with win32
<particle> mostly pointers to existing docs
<particle> i think more important is enumerating open tasks
<particle> i'd be happy if somebody (hackathon or otherwise) picked up the ticket for classifying rt items and did that
<pmichaud> that sounds like an excellent hackathon task, fwiw
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<particle> i'll put it on the wiki, pointing to my tix
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<Coke> also, allison has pinged the houston folks to see if we can get some hackathon time/space at yapc.
<particle> oh, question...
<particle> we don't have type checking in the compiler tools. is it a desired past transform?
<particle> i'm thinking parse -> type check -> past
<pmichaud> I hadn't thought about that too much yet
<pmichaud> for perl6, at least, so much type checking has to be performed at runtime
<pmichaud> even if some can be done at compile time
<chromatic> That's why we have pluggable transformations in HLLCompiler... :)
<particle> chromatic: that's what i was getting at
<particle> are there any other examples of pluggable transformations yet? i thought type checking could be one
<chromatic> Optimization is another.
<chromatic> I don't know which stage is easiest to do type checking though.
<pmichaud> optimization will be the better one to focus on, I think
<pmichaud> at least for the languages we're currently targeting
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<chromatic> It sounds like we're wrapping up.
<chromatic> Is there anything else, or shall we all adjourn to #parrot?
<pmichaud> (adjourning to #parrot)
<allison> FoTW?
<chromatic> src/pmc/orderedhash.pmc
<Coke> already covered.
<chromatic> I'll dig into it and we can start discussing it in the next couple of days.
<chromatic> Thanks everyone.
<allison> thanks c, and all
<Coke> and thanks to c for chairing the meeting. My flaky network cxn and I appreciate it. =-)
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