% contingencyplan has joined #parrotsketch
% cognominal has joined #parrotsketch
% rdice has left rdice!~richarddi@CPE001ff33cb98b-CM00159a01d44c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
% pmichaud has joined #parrotsketch
% rdice has joined #parrotsketch
% tewk has joined #parrotsketch
% tewk_ has left tewk_!~tewk@ekstrom.org
% tewk has left tewk!~tewk@lre-west-4-62.usahousing.utah.edu
% tewk has joined #parrotsketch
% Whiteknight has joined #parrotsketch
% paco has left paco!~chatzilla@139.Red-80-36-122.staticIP.rima-tde.net
% paco has joined #parrotsketch
% shamu has joined #parrotsketch
% particle has left particle!~particle@c-98-232-28-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
% barney has joined #parrotsketch
% particle has joined #parrotsketch
% Auzon has joined #parrotsketch
% jhorwitz has joined #parrotsketch
% NotFound has joined #parrotsketch
% allison has joined #parrotsketch
% cotto_work has joined #parrotsketch
% magnachef_away has joined #parrotsketch
% cotto_work has left cotto_work!~cotto@tide501.microsoft.com
% jonathan has joined #parrotsketch
% rgrjr has joined #parrotsketch
% cotto_work has joined #parrotsketch
% chromatic has joined #parrotsketch
* moritz greets the assembled parrot painters - er, sketchers ;-)
<chromatic> ROLL CALL
% kj has joined #parrotsketch
<jonathan> HERE!
<pmichaud> bagel!
* barney is here
<kj> here
<allison> here
<chromatic> Alphabetical order?  You bet.  allison?
<Whiteknight> here
<allison> I spent the week travelling.
<allison> Met with Jim Keenan and NY Perl/Parroteers
* jhorwitz is here
<allison> Worked on pdd25cx branch, but haven't yet committed context/scoped handlers fix.
<allison> EOR
<chromatic> barney?
<barney> Renamed Plumhead to Pipp.
<barney> Tidied languages/json.
<barney> Added make-target 'pipp'.
<barney> Removed 'pipp.pl'.
<barney> Use optok-parsing in Pipp.
<barney> Run the tests in 'languages/pipp'.
<barney> Start on OO-Support of PHP.
<barney> file one q
<barney> .eor
<chromatic> I fixed some bugs.
<chromatic> I closed some tickets.
<chromatic> I'm supervising Whiteknight's work, but mostly that's just giving some advice and approving his mid-term report.
<chromatic> I'm happy to look at any new bugs anyone files, if they can reproduce them with a little PIR.
<chromatic> I hope to have more time in the next week.  We'll see.  Probably not until next Monday.
<chromatic> cotto_work, are you here?
<cotto_work> yes
<cotto_work> no report, though
<chromatic> japhb?
<chromatic> jhorwitz?
<jhorwitz> got mod_perl6 working again
<jhorwitz> worked on new rakudo patches for mod_perl6 to keep up with jonathan's latest changes
<jhorwitz> would liek to commit PERL6LIB implementation for 'require' today
<jhorwitz> also would like some review on partial ::() implementation before committing (RT #56700)
<jhorwitz> EOR
<chromatic> jonathan?
<jonathan> * Last week, time to do much at all was non-existent.
<jonathan> * This week, things are better and I'm making up last week's Rakudo day
<jonathan> * First Rakudo day of the week is today
<jonathan> ** Working on signature objects
<jonathan> ** We're now building a basic signature object, but lots of details missing
<jonathan> ** Got the grammar a little closer to STD.pm
<jonathan> ** my ($a, $b); now works, but only that case! Lots more work that I'm doing here at the moment.
<jonathan> * Will continue getting the type info into signatures, in prep for getting Perl 6 MMD in place later in the month
<jonathan> * Also want to get enums implemented - they're also on my hit-list for the near future.
<jonathan> EOR
<chromatic> kj, are you here?
<kj> tried to debug PIRC's heredoc preprocessor. Found the weak spot, and fixed it, but the solutions seems very hacky
<kj> and (just) did some updates to languages/PIR's action methods.
<kj> .eor
<chromatic> moritz?
<moritz> my $report = q:pseudo_yaml[ - Added 18 test files to Rakudo's spectest_regression target - applied some small patches, resolved tickets - Auzon++ for tests, and bacek++ for both tests and patches - filled out GSOC mid term evaluation for Auzon - Test progress is now plotted on http://rakudo.de/ and regularly updated
<moritz> ];
<moritz> where did those line breaks go? ;-)
<chromatic> It's not always easy to write YAML by hand.
<moritz> ;)
<chromatic> NotFound?
<NotFound> Almost nothing, looking at some details.
<chromatic> particle?
<particle> reviewed tewk's gsoc progress
<particle> submitted his mid-term eval
<particle> still having trouble getting my main dev env working, due to hw problems
<particle> switching to linux for now
<particle> .end
<chromatic> pmichaud?
<pmichaud> ** Rakudo spectest_regression:  93 files, 1672 passing tests  (+14, +432 from 07-01)
<pmichaud> == Overall
<pmichaud> == Parrot stuff
<pmichaud> : chromatic++ finished the lexicals work -- now things work properly
<pmichaud> : investigated some .HLL stuff for P6object -- have some blockers there
<pmichaud> == PCT stuff
<pmichaud> : worked on updating P6object to understand HLL
<pmichaud> : eliminated use of implicit newclosure from PCT
<pmichaud> : updated PCT to use :lexid
<pmichaud> : allow :name attribute to be a PAST tree
<pmichaud> : fix arity handling on 'for' loops
<pmichaud> == NQP stuff
<pmichaud> == Rakudo stuff
<pmichaud> : refactor builtins into src/builtins/any-*.pir
<pmichaud> : refactored lexical handling, especially $_, $!, $/
<pmichaud> : fixed 'given' statement
<pmichaud> : refactored placeholder variables
<pmichaud> : refactor .?, .*, .+
<pmichaud> : eliminated a lot of inline PIR
<pmichaud> : applied patches (bacek++, masak++)
<pmichaud> : fixed some bugs (cjfields++, masak++, moritz++)
<pmichaud> == Blocker status
<pmichaud> : Rakudo .HLL mapping is blocking on ability to create classes in other HLL namespaces (RT #56616 and others)
<pmichaud> : gather/take is blocking on resumable exceptions (pdd25cx)
<pmichaud> : using pre-compiled Perl 6 modules needs some design work, and likely some fixes to :load handling and lexicals (RT #47956)
<pmichaud> : list assignment is blocking on some design issues, and possibly PGE improvements
<pmichaud> : Thanks again to chromatic++ and jonathan++ for removing blockers in lexical variable handling
<pmichaud> Queue 1 question
<pmichaud> .end
<chromatic> rgrjr, are you here?
<rgrjr> yup; not much to say though.
<chromatic> tewk?  particle says you owe us some status updates.
<rgrjr> * working on test case for continuation/eh interaction in pdd25cx
<rgrjr> - found a regression(?) in trunk, but no fix yet.
<rgrjr> one Q (or 2)
<rgrjr> .eor
<chromatic> Whiteknight?
<Whiteknight> * Lots of GC-related refactoring and bugfixing
<Whiteknight> * Stuck on a nasty segfault
<Whiteknight> EOR
<chromatic> Alright, we have two queued questions.
<chromatic> barney?
<barney> Will next weeks release be 0.6.4 ? Or will pdd25cx be merged ?
* particle votes merge + todo/skip before release
<pmichaud> I think merge depends on allison+chromatic+other schedule though, and allison is likely fairly busy this week and next
<chromatic> Depends on how bad the breakage is.
<chromatic> If we can't get it merged a week before the release, I'd feel nervous about merging before the release.
<pmichaud> agreed
<particle> meetoo
<chromatic> As it is, we don't know if any language which uses PGE will run on the branch right now without modifications.
<barney> me too
<pmichaud> I can throw tuits at any PGE issues, no problem.  But if there are core issues I'm not likely to be as much help there.
<rgrjr> fwiw, pdd25cx breaks Kea-CL (IIRC), so I would rather not merge.  (But I don't think that should stop anyone.)
<chromatic> rgrjr, do you use PGE there?
<rgrjr> chromatic: no.
<chromatic> Is it the continuation promotion problem you reported earlier?
<allison> Without substantial language testing, we shouldn't merge the branch before the release.
<pmichaud> are the "PGE issues" really within PGE, or is it just that PGE is the first major PIR/object component in the Parrot build?
<rgrjr> chromatic: sorry; I'll have to rerun the tests and get back to you.
<particle> so, we need allison's patch, and to have the branch brought up to trunk head
<allison> pmichaud: the parrot build is successful now, including PGE
<particle> then we can request heavy hll testing
<allison> pmichaud: it's just that PGE is 2 of the remaining 4 failing test files
<pmichaud> okay.
<pmichaud> I'll do those immediately after #ps.
<allison> my patch may fix a number of them
<allison> I'll try to commit that right after parrotsketch, but I'll be in meetings the rest of the afternoon
<pmichaud> no problem.  if I get stuck I'll just send an "I'm stuck" exception your way :-)
<chromatic> If you can't commit it, can you send it my way so that I can commit it?
<barney> I'm taking a trip to the mountains till Sunday. So I can prepare the release starting on monday.
<allison> chromatic: not sure how that would help, as I need to finish the code. I mean, I can commit what I have now, but partially completed it'll make things worse, not better.
<chromatic> Completely uncommitted, no one can help you.
<japhb> branch the branch?
<particle> fail early, fail often
<Whiteknight> ...or in my case, fail early, fail every time apparently :(
<allison> it'll take me as long to explain what needs to be done as it'll take me to do it
<pmichaud> note that rakudo counts only its successes, not its failures :-)
<allison> I don't have anything scheduled tonight, so I'll work on it then. It should only be a couple hours of work left.
<chromatic> Alright then, let's move on to pmichaud's question.
<pmichaud> my question was also about the release.  But I'm also looking for help with #56616 if anyone is interested.
<pmichaud> essentially I'm not sure how to create classes in other hll namespaces
<pmichaud> at least, whatever I try seems to break.
<chromatic> The method form seems reasonable to me.
<pmichaud> oh, yes, there's that also.
<pmichaud> right now the problem is that I can create classes using namespaces from other HLLs, and that works, but then Parrot MMD doesn't work properly
<pmichaud> (and 'isa' gives some strange results)
<pmichaud> oops, I reported the wrong ticket
<pmichaud> #56650
<pmichaud> *that's* the real blocker  (sorry for the misdirection)
<chromatic> Alright, anyone want to look into that?
<Tene> I might look into it.
% kj has left kj!~IceChat7@193.1.100.105
<pmichaud> if #56616 is okay with others, I'll go ahead and apply it in trunk (I have it in a branch right now)
<allison> yes, I'm fine with making them methods
<pmichaud> done, thanks.
<Tene> I have no idea what's happening after work for me tonight.  If nobody else has dealt with 56650 by then, I'll try.
<pmichaud> EOQ from me, Tene++ (or anyone++) if they can resolve 56650 for me.  :-)
<chromatic> Are there any other questions or blockers?
<pmichaud> or give me another way to create classes in other hll namespaces
<pmichaud> rgrjr had a q
<rgrjr> Turns out I have two
<chromatic> Go ahead.
<rgrjr> Let me ask them together:
<rgrjr> 1.  The Boston Linux & Unix group asked Uri for a Perl 6 talk on 20, and he posted on boston.pm.  Anyone going to be in the area?
<rgrjr> 2.  I don't seem to have privs to change things on RT.  Am I looking in the wrong place?
<rgrjr> go!
<chromatic> #2, you have to log in, and if you've logged in from an existing ticket, you have to go to the logged-in-ticket view instead.
<rgrjr> 1.  "on Aug 20"
<chromatic> Confuses me every time.
<rgrjr> "logged in ticket view"?
<particle> rgrjr has bugadmin rights in rt
<allison> rgrjr: it's a different URL than the "public" view
<moritz> rgrjr: if it has /Public in the URL, it's the wrong one
<allison> someone cleverly just added a "You are currently viewing the Public interface." warning in the past week
<allison> now every public ticket page has a link to the full page
<rgrjr> aha! somehow I had got un-logged-in.  Seems to work now.  Thanks!
<rgrjr> allison:  Cool, a hint! ;-}
<moritz> rt's login cookie is only valid as long as your browser is open (at least for me)
<japhb> Impatience applies here ... RT should switch for you ...
<tewk> * ncigen is working
<tewk> * converting src/call_list.txt into tests for dynamic nci stub generation
<tewk> * current plan is to revive and extend Parrot_jit_build_call_func
<tewk> EOR
<chromatic> tewk, any estimate on making a public commit to a branch somewhere?
<tewk> I'll do it right now, 
<tewk> http://tewk.com/nci.diff is always current.
<chromatic> Easier to test and review a branch (and incremental changes) than a single patch.
* particle just added julian albo (notfound) as a new committer
<chromatic> ALL HAIL THE COMPUTER
<moritz> NotFound++, welcome
<NotFound> Thanks to all.
<chromatic> Is there anything else?  It sounds like we've finished for the week.
<japhb> tewk: Is that call_list that you're testing with including the OpenGL stuff?
<japhb> (i.e. did you generate it on a system with OpenGL/GLUT installed? That's a lot of additional stubs ....)
<tewk> japhb: no but I can do that.
<japhb> tewk: remember that those signatures paper over most pointers by just assuming they will be handled with the {Un,}ManagedStruct interface ....
<japhb> Can your code generate the structure definitions needed by ManagedStruct?
* japhb has been doing them by hand as needed ....
<tewk> theoretically yes. I parse the header file and have an ast, so all I need to do is write a generator for ManagedSturct.
<tewk> japhb: do you have a pointer to your hand generated code?
<japhb> OK, great.  It sounds like you're getting close to the point where I need to pay more attention.  :-)
<japhb> Meta: Should we take this back to #parrot?
<tewk> ncigen just generates dlfunc pir calls for c functions, but ManagedStructs shouldn't be that hard.
<tewk> I already parse and build ast's for structs.
<tewk> yes back to #parrot
<japhb> excellent
<chromatic> Until next week everyone.
<moritz> ciao
<jonathan> bye bye
% rgrjr has left rgrjr!~user@c-66-30-196-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
% jonathan has left #parrotsketch
% jhorwitz has left #parrotsketch
<allison> bye
% allison has left allison!~chatzilla@216-31-236-219.static-ip.telepacific.net
% cotto_work has left #parrotsketch
% chromatic has left #parrotsketch
% shamu has left #parrotsketch
% NotFound has left #parrotsketch
% barney has left barney!~bernhard@p549A3934.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
% Auzon has left #parrotsketch
% rdice has left rdice!~richard_d@CPE0014bfafbbd5-CM0011e6ecf48a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
% japhb has left japhb!~geoff@76-191-190-8.dsl.static.sonic.net
% pmichaud has left #parrotsketch
% japhb has joined #parrotsketch
% Whiteknight has left #parrotsketch
% japhb has left japhb!~geoff@208.201.228.107
% japhb has joined #parrotsketch
% cognominal has left cognominal!~cognomina@82.67.232.89
% cognominal has joined #parrotsketch
% contingencyplan has left contingencyplan!~contingen@cpe-76-186-27-146.tx.res.rr.com
% particle1 has joined #parrotsketch
% particle has left particle!~particle@c-98-232-28-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net