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<chromatic> Hello everyone.
<particle> hi all
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<DietCoke> hio.
<allison> yo
<moritz> hi
<jonathan> 'lo
<jhorwitz> ahoy hoy
<pmichaud> here.
<DietCoke> Anyone interested in chairing today so I can go get a cup of coffee? =-)
<DietCoke> Guess not. I'll go first, then:
<DietCoke> primarily been working on Tcl the past two weeks, trying to cleanup the state of the spec tests, add
<DietCoke> some missing builtins, etc. Cleaning up the infrastructure
<DietCoke> in prep for an eventual switch to PCT.
<DietCoke> (which may never come but cleanup good.) Asked chromatic to investigate speed issues.
<DietCoke> EOR.
<particle> i'll take over, go get your caffiene
<DietCoke> let's again go (except for me) in "hello" order. chromatic?
<chromatic> Not a lot of progress (thanks to work business).
<chromatic> Gave Andrew some guidance.
<chromatic> Picked up his :vtable implies self patch and finally made it work.  ++ to him for that
<chromatic> Applied some patches.
<chromatic> Will work on:
<chromatic> - Tcl profiling
<chromatic> - More PMC cleanup (PMC_struct_val can die)
<chromatic> - pdd25cx merge issues
<chromatic> - Register allocation (a write up due soon)
<chromatic> - a writeup of how to help patchmonstering, because the more people who help, the easier it is
<chromatic> EOF
<particle> oscon was a great success this year. got great feedback and enthusiasm from attendees of the rakudo talk patrick and i gave.
<particle> the lightning talks jhorwitz and i gave were a hit, too.
<particle> got a good bit of the mod_parrot configure system refactored. it's working on jhorwitz's machine. need to do a little more work before merging to trunk, then extend to other platforms including windows.
<particle> hackathon was productive: helped ewilhelm and schwern with the rakudo test suite, had good language discussions with pmichaud and timtoady, addressed ugliness in the Pair pmc with chromatic and allison.
<particle> shared enlightening conversation with allison on the journey to seattle.
<particle> met with microsoft open source software lab yesterday (cotto++ for setting it up). they're quite interested in helping parrot foundation out. i'll announce specifics as they're made clear, which i expect to happen before the end of august.
<particle> .end
<particle> allison, what's new?
<allison> - Mostly finished reviewing the PIR PDD in the weekend hackathon, including resolving the questions about flagging string encodings and default string encodings.
<allison> - Working on resolving the final failing language tests in the concurrency branch.
<allison> - Excited to have time for Parrot again.
<allison> EOR
<particle> moritz?
<moritz>  - business as usual, some fiddling with tests
<moritz>  - Answered some Perl 6 and rakudo question on perlmonks - we seem to draw
<moritz>    interest ;-)
<moritz> - won't be available in the next two weeks (vacation)
<moritz>  - in case you haven't noticed, STD.pm now parses 98% of the spec tests. YaY!
<moritz> KTHXBYE
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<particle> thanks, moritz. enjoy vacation. what's up, jonathan?
<jonathan> * Had a Rakudo day on Saturday (for last week) and one today (for this week)
<jonathan> * Mostly been working on fixing smaller bugs and quirks than doing anything especially big and new
<jonathan> * will look forward to when we can run spectest_regression faster, since it's more of an overhead when doing little fixes than implementing big stuff
<jonathan> * Got the basics of class attributes in last time
<jonathan> * Fixed a couple of Parrot bugs, and also I tracked down a return_pir bug that could obscure getting real messages from exceptions
<jonathan> * Done some ROADMAP updates today, so it lists things we should work out so as not to have to skip so many tests in spectest_regression
<jonathan> * Also discussed and thought a good bit about many other things that need doing; now need to turn them into code
<jonathan> * Looking forward to getting loads of hacking in at YAPC::EU, both during the conference in free moments and a day either side of it
<jonathan> EOR
<particle> nice work. mod_jhorwitz?
<jhorwitz> added API for custom Apache directives in mod_parrot.  with this, mod_perl6 now uses 'Perl6ResponseHandler' instead of a combination of Parrot* directives.
<jhorwitz> tackled some thread safety issues in preparation for testing on windows
<jhorwitz> worked with particle on refactoring mod_parrot's Configure.pl
<jhorwitz> fixed some segfaults when using virtual hosts with their own interpreters
<jhorwitz> [rakudo] implemented PERL6LIB in 'require' -- trying to merge with recent changes (my working copy is loopy right now) and will commit when i'm done.
<jhorwitz> EOR
<particle> ok, pmichaud, you're up.
<pmichaud> Overall:
<pmichaud> * Have had serious ongoing technical issues with computer stability and network connectivity, which severely limited productivity
<pmichaud> PCT:
<pmichaud> * Fixed p6object to eliminate %!metaclass hash
<pmichaud> ** (no more leaked anonymous classes)
<pmichaud> Rakudo:
<pmichaud> * updated sleep()
<pmichaud> * fixed bare $ handling in interpolated strings
<pmichaud> * gave presentations at OSCON
<pmichaud> * reviewed/applied some patches
<pmichaud> EOR
<particle> anyone else?
<Tene> Me!
<particle> please proceed.
<Tene> * Lolcode looks up names in the lexical environment at compile time to build a proper AST.
<Tene> * Cardinal has class variables.
<Tene> * Cardinal gets syntax for assigning to member variables.
<Tene> * Fixed an HLL_map issue for slurpy params.
<Tene> KTHXBYE
<particle> cotto? Infinoid? japhb? tewk?
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<Infinoid> not much here, applied some patches from donaldh and rurban, fixed a couple tests and warnings
<Infinoid> held down the fort for all you OSCON folks. :)
<particle> that's much appreciated :)
* moritz queues one remark
<particle> ok, looks like tewk and whiteknight are missing, so no SoC reports :(
* Tene queues a question for jhorwitz
<particle> the end of SoC is near, two weeks until "pencils down"
<particle> mentors, remind your students.
* pmichaud queues a remark
<particle> ok, i have a comment as well. moritz?
<moritz> donaldh might be a good candidate for a commit bit, what do you think?
<pmichaud> (yes, hawai'i :-)
<pmichaud> however, I should have occasional cell connectivity (thus email) and the places we're staying all have wifi
<pmichaud> after that I'll be traveling to YAPC::EU
<pmichaud> anyway, that's my remark
<particle> ok, then. email good.
<particle> my comment comes from something chromatic, allison, and i discussed saturday evening
<particle> we should encourage those with few tuits to devote time towards reviewing patches
<particle> yes, and it's something that *anybody* can do
<particle> you don't have to be an expert
<pmichaud> are there a lot of outstanding patches at the moment?
<Infinoid> oh, is there a deficit of patch monsters?
<particle> well, i certainly have the perception that the work can be spread out further
<pmichaud> whenever I've reviewed the rt queue I've found very few patches to be applied 
* moritz is happy to test and apply patches if somebody else reviews them
<pmichaud> moritz: I think what particle is requesting is more people to test patches
<particle> we have plenty of committers willing to apply patches that have been reviewed
<pmichaud> (but not necessarily apply)
<particle> right
<pmichaud> I just don't know that there are that many patches outstanding.  Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place.
<particle> we need more folks to test the patches on their platforms
<particle> it doesn't matter how many there are at the moment. it's a social  thing.
<pmichaud> so, "with few tuits"  means "with a few extra tuits"?
<particle> if you see one in rt, and have the tuits, apply and report results. "this patch applies cleanly and passes all tests on win32-msvc-9.0"
<particle> i'd like have a document suggesting this to newcomers who ask, "how can i help?"
<pmichaud> okay, my followup question is:  "how can I find patches to apply?"
<pmichaud> (I'm not disagreeing with the idea, I'm just trying to understand why this isn't already happening.)
<particle> right. we can include a link to an rt query that finds tix with patches
<Infinoid> hmm.  semi-related question: when I review a patch and I have a question or comment (like "gimme a test case"), I usually just find the submitter on IRC and bug them there.  is that ok, or should I try to reply in RT instead?
<particle> i think coke created one already
<Tene> particle: put that link in the topic in #parrot
<particle> many potential contributors don't use irc
<particle> so i think mailing list/rt is better
<particle> Infinoid: that's up to you. if it sits for a long time, rt comment is better
<pmichaud> or on the wiki, if it's not already there
<particle> it's probably on the wiki, good point.
<particle> anybody want to work on some text for this?
<pmichaud> anyway, I'm in favor of more guides for people looking for things to do, yes.
<pmichaud> I don't know the RT query.
<DietCoke> http://www.parrotcode.org/openpatches.html
<pmichaud> DietCoke: that only finds tickets with [PATCH] in the subject, yes?
<DietCoke> also: http://www.parrotblog.org/2008/05/700-ticket-challenge.html
<Infinoid> sounds like another good triaging function is to find new tickets with patches attached, and mark them correctly.
<DietCoke> pmichaud: no, it finds tickets that use the patch field.
<pmichaud> okay, excellent then.
<particle> great. any work in this area will increase your karma.
<particle> anything else this week?
<particle> ok, then. thanks all, and see you in the future!
<jhorwitz> Tene: you queued a question?
<DietCoke> chromatic is the geordi to my pakled.
<particle> tene "nevermind"ed his q
<jhorwitz> very well.  glad i could help.  ;-)
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<chromatic> Huh?
<moritz> I think somebody adjurned the meeting by private message... ;-)
<moritz> in lack of common interest and further topics, shall we formally call it a week?
<chromatic> Agreed.
<spinclad> [19:03: * particle adjourns meeting]
<Tene> 13:03 < jhorwitz> Tene: you queued a question?
<Tene> ack!
* Tene copies poorly.
<moritz> I missed that
<Tene> 13:03 < particle> ok, then. thanks all, and see you in the future!
<DietCoke> Tene: send it to the list, sorry.
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<moritz> bye then, and see you in #parrot ;)
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